Study ties hard work to Asian students’ higher grades. What’s your excuse?

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Study ties hard work to Asian students’ higher grades. What’s your excuse?
Study ties hard work to Asian students’ higher grades. What’s your excuse?

A study published this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences finds that hard work is the reason why Asian-American students do better in school than their white peers.

But the authors of the study also found that, by some measures, Asian youth may not be as happy. Asians in surveys were less likely to agree with the statement "I feel good about myself," and they reported spending less time with friends and feeling more distant from their parents.

Asian students' better academic performance is often commented on, both in research papers and in high-school locker rooms around the country. Yet the causes of that success have been widely debated. Some scholars have argued that they might be doing better mainly because their parents are better educated, while others have suggested that Asians are simply brighter than their classmates.

Some of the debate has focused on parenting. Amy Chua's book Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother attracted national attention -- and controversy -- to the parenting techniques stereotypically associated with Asian households. In an interview, Chua praised the new paper. "It's a very striking and original study with a large database," she said.

The authors of the study, University of Michigan's Yu Xie and Amy Hsin of Queens College, City University of New York, examined two national surveys of students in kindergarten through high school, focusing on data for 4,246 white students and 989 Asian students. The authors compared measures of academic achievement such as students' grades with teachers' responses to questions as to whether their students showed a willingness to work. Hsin and Xie found that the differences in how hard students worked, according to their teachers, accounted for much of the Asian group's better performance in the classroom compared to whites.

The authors also considered other explanations for the Asian students' success. Information about students' intelligence as measured by standardized tests or about their families' socioeconomic status was not nearly as accurate in predicting their grades as their teachers' statements about their study habits. Indeed, it is not clear that Asian students have any advantage over whites in terms of natural thinking ability, and in some cases, Asians do better in school than whites whose parents are wealthier and better educated.

These findings do not conclude the debate, but instead raise even more sensitive questions: Why do Asian students work harder, and can members of groups that do not do as well academically replicate Asians' success by adopting their attitudes?


Chua and her husband Jed Rubenfeld, both professors at Yale Law School, contend the study is evidence that aspects of Asian-American culture are partly responsible for Asian children's good grades. The couple published a new book earlier this year arguing that certain cultural traits can explain the successes of various immigrant groups in the country's history.

"There can be no doubt that these practices and attitudes are not exclusive to Asians, and can be incredibly helpful to people outside those communities," Rubenfeld said.

The couple added that a mere change in attitude would not be enough to eliminate the obstacles confronting black children. "When it comes to America's poorest groups, it's pretty clear what the true causes of poverty are. You have to start with history, you know, centuries of slavery and mass incarceration," Chua said.

But Hsin, one of the authors of the study, warned against applying her results too broadly. "Asian Americans have access to a unique set of resources that are not available to other immigrant groups," she said. "The 'Tiger Mom' thesis, and that whole discussion, falls short."

Hsin, who was born in Taiwan and grew up in the United States and Canada, said that even poor Asian immigrants benefit from having well-educated friends or relatives who can recommend a tutoring program for their children and help them understand the American educational system.

She and Xie found that students who responded in surveys that math was not an innate skill were more likely to work harder. But hard work was much more than the result of a student's belief in her ability to learn.

Jennifer Lee, a professor at the University of California, Irvine, said she sees the paper as "a very powerful and informative piece of empirical research that pushes the debate forward." Yet she also noted what she sees as the limitations of the authors' method. Lee argued that wealth and education among Asian-American communities as a whole have an important effect on how students learn.

Tutoring is freely available in some Korean churches in Los Angeles, noted Lee, who wrote a commentary accompanying Hsin and Xie's research.

"If you are poor and working class, say, Chinese or Korean, your class disadvantage doesn't necessarily have to be as disadvantageous because you will have access to other ethnic resources," Lee said. "That kind of thing is not going to be measured in any kind of quantitative study."

Lee criticizes Chua's work in her commentary and elsewhere, but she does not believe that strict parenting is to blame for the fact that young Asians can seem unhappy compared to whites.

Lee argued that these stresses are the result of the expectations placed on Asian children by society as a whole as much as of those placed on them by their parents, noting that even positive stereotypes can have negative consequences and that the United States remains a racially stratified country.
 

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Asian students' better academic performance is often commented on, both in research papers and in high-school locker rooms around the country. Yet the causes of that success have been widely debated. Some scholars have argued that they might be doing better mainly because their parents are better educated, while others have suggested that Asians are simply brighter than their classmates.

Some of the debate has focused on parenting. Amy Chua's book Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother attracted national attention -- and controversy -- to the parenting techniques stereotypically associated with Asian households. In an interview, Chua praised the new paper. "It's a very striking and original study with a large database," she said.

The authors of the study, University of Michigan's Yu Xie and Amy Hsin of Queens College, City University of New York, examined two national surveys of students in kindergarten through high school, focusing on data for 4,246 white students and 989 Asian students. The authors compared measures of academic achievement such as students' grades with teachers' responses to questions as to whether their students showed a willingness to work. Hsin and Xie found that the differences in how hard students worked, according to their teachers, accounted for much of the Asian group's better performance in the classroom compared to whites.

The authors also considered other explanations for the Asian students' success. Information about students' intelligence as measured by standardized tests or about their families' socioeconomic status was not nearly as accurate in predicting their grades as their teachers' statements about their study habits. Indeed, it is not clear that Asian students have any advantage over whites in terms of natural thinking ability, and in some cases, Asians do better in school than whites whose parents are wealthier and better educated.
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Their culture prolly focuses on strict education, while blacks(western: America, C'bean) ain't serious enough with it. We need to step our education & intellect game up....or stay stuck at the bottom bruhs. Time to elevate!!!
 

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Their culture prolly focuses on strict education, while blacks(western: America, C'bean) ain't serious enough with it. We need to step our education & intellect game up....or stay stuck at the bottom bruhs. Time to elevate!!!
100% brotha. Look at nigerians and other Africans. They come here with the same value in education and they're very successful.

I'm a math tutor and one of my students is this black girl with African parents. She's very smart and will probably end up at a top university. When I'm tutoring her its completely different from this white girl I'm tutoring and this other black kid with AA parents. She takes the time to think critically about how to solve a problem. Meanwhile these other kids want me to hold their hand and baby them through every little step.

You know why her parents can afford to pay me $40 an hour? Because her mom's a trauma nurse and her dad's an anesthesiologist. Her whole family is full of doctors and lawyers, all because they came over here and took FULL advantage of the education system.

Meanwhile we got african americans buck dancing, crying about how we shouldn't go to school because they don't "teach us our history."
 

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100% brotha. Look at nigerians and other Africans. They come here with the same value in education and they're very successful.

I'm a math tutor and one of my students is this black girl with African parents. She's very smart and will probably end up at a top university. When I'm tutoring her its completely different from this white girl I'm tutoring and this other black kid with AA parents. She takes the time to think critically about how to solve a problem. Meanwhile these other kids want me to hold their hand and baby them through every little step.

You know why her parents can afford to pay me $40 an hour? Because her mom's a trauma nurse and her dad's an anesthesiologist. Her whole family is full of doctors and lawyers, all because they came over here and took FULL advantage of the education system.

Meanwhile we got african americans buck dancing, crying about how we shouldn't go to school because they don't "teach us our history."

lets not make it black vs black. This isnt mortal combat

its good she studies hard. It would be great if everyone had access to the same resources.
 

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100% brotha. Look at nigerians and other Africans. They come here with the same value in education and they're very successful.

I'm a math tutor and one of my students is this black girl with African parents. She's very smart and will probably end up at a top university. When I'm tutoring her its completely different from this white girl I'm tutoring and this other black kid with AA parents. She takes the time to think critically about how to solve a problem. Meanwhile these other kids want me to hold their hand and baby them through every little step.

You know why her parents can afford to pay me $40 an hour? Because her mom's a trauma nurse and her dad's an anesthesiologist. Her whole family is full of doctors and lawyers, all because they came over here and took FULL advantage of the education system.

Meanwhile we got african americans buck dancing, crying about how we shouldn't go to school because they don't "teach us our history."

That's very good for her and her family, and I would dap this post, but you're a buck dancing uncle tom your damn self so dap/undap and negged you c00n.:pacspit:


But I agree with the fact that a lot of nikkas are lazy and make excuses.
 

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These Africans are some of the smartest people I've ever met. I used to work with this 24 year old dude from Ghana, dude had a master plan and always had his head in books during down time. He lived in East NY and I remember he pissed a lot of people off because he said he refuses to go outside and associate with "those people" :russ:
 

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Their culture prolly focuses on strict education, while blacks(western: America, C'bean) ain't serious enough with it. We need to step our education & intellect game up....or stay stuck at the bottom bruhs. Time to elevate!!!
Roland be on it
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LMAO! I think black people have pretty much proven that no race is smarter than the other and that we achieve and learn as much as any other race. It's funny they try to act like Asians are so smart but the Africans (nigerians alone) prolly blow them out the water. It is really all about culture and family and your extended community.
 

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100% brotha. Look at nigerians and other Africans. They come here with the same value in education and they're very successful.

I'm a math tutor and one of my students is this black girl with African parents. She's very smart and will probably end up at a top university. When I'm tutoring her its completely different from this white girl I'm tutoring and this other black kid with AA parents. She takes the time to think critically about how to solve a problem. Meanwhile these other kids want me to hold their hand and baby them through every little step.

You know why her parents can afford to pay me $40 an hour? Because her mom's a trauma nurse and her dad's an anesthesiologist. Her whole family is full of doctors and lawyers, all because they came over here and took FULL advantage of the education system.

Meanwhile we got african americans buck dancing, crying about how we shouldn't go to school because they don't "teach us our history."

What did the 'black girl with African parents' say when you informed her that through your "research" you discovered that the is genetically inferior to whites? Did she take it in stride when you broke the troubling news that her skin color has relegated her to a life of regressive traits encompassing intelligence, behavior, etc?
 

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What did the 'black girl with African parents' say when you informed her that through your "research" you discovered that the is genetically inferior to whites? Did she take it in stride when you broke the troubling news that her skin color has relegated her to a life of regressive traits encompassing intelligence, behavior, etc?
Now I have no way of knowing this, but I can make an educated guess and say she didn't start complaining about it on the internet.
 
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