Super UNPOPULAR OPINION: Carter II is not a classic

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Of course Im going to get cooked because this is like saying MJ was trash or pulp fiction is a snooze fest. Theres some things you just dont say. I would like every one to be as open minded as possible for this discussion and would like to speak on facts as much as possible rather than feelings or memories. Before commenting, I would like everybody to revisit the album first. Personally, I have been having this growing sentiment for a short while but was never bold enough to say it.

Having a hip hop debate on facebook with friends and things get heated even though i never planned to ever tell a soul about how I truly felt inside, I ended up having to speak on this. Sent my whole facebook in a frenzy got called every name under the sun, its okay I can accept it.

The main thing that I want people to ask themselves is, is this a classic musically or is this q classic because of the time that it came in and because it launched a new era for Wayne.

The more and more I dive into it the more I cant help but think this is a piece that people have an affinity for but in hindsight, I feel as if people were open to questioning their belief that they would maybe feel different about it.

The biggest thing for me is while speaking to a friend of mine that is by far the biggest wayne fan, I asks him what are your top 2-3 songs from the album. He names a few songs and then I ask him would you put those songs in your top 20 wayne songs ever. He never answered of course but thats the answer I was looking for.

Of course you could say well, that was the start of a new chapter and he ended putting out a lot of quality material after. Understood, but wouldnt it be at least one song that’d be in people top 20 wayne songs at least? I mean, this is considered by a ton of people to be his best body of work. I have a hard time believing that I could ask people their top 20 Jay-Z or Nas songs without them listing at least one song from illmatic, stillmatic, it was written or reasonable doubt, blueprint, black album.


Would you put this album next to the other classics that came before?


Maybe its the fact that I played it entirely too much as a kid but listening back to it as a 30 year old, musically and musically only I would have a hard time putting this album next to the other classics
 

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Would you put this album next to the other classics that came before?
I think a more interesting question is what Wayne album would you put in its place? Considering he's obviously a classic artist and at one time was in the goat debate.
 

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That Stankonia thread from earlier this week done opened the floodgates for hot takes like this lol
Bro I swear im not trying to be problematic at all. If im bugging im buggin we not gonna all agree but I was just curious to see if anybody felt the same way in hindsight
 

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I think a more interesting question is what Wayne album would you put in its place? Considering he's obviously a classic artist and at one time was in the goat debate.
Exactly, which leads to the question does he have a classic album.
Could we count his mixtapes as classic albums?
 

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I don’t think any of Wayne’s albums were considered classics at the time except for maybe Carter 3.

So this take isn’t too crazy to me. He made his mark doing his mixtapes and self proclaiming himself the best rapper alive.

At some point folks went back and started calling shyt earlier classics. Ironically, not too different than Jay z with reasonable doubt.
 

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I have not thought of this album in years, much less played it. I barely remember Shooter with Robin Thicke.

So I head over to Wiki to see the tracklist.

Under the "critical reception"
  • AllMusic
  • Entertainment Weekly
  • IGN
  • Pop Matters
  • Rolling Stone
  • LA Weekly..
Le sigh. We knew this was gonna happen, but they're writing the history of hip hop.

Letting it run, these were my favorites
  • Money on My Mind
  • Mo Fire
  • Oh No
I don't remember anyone calling this classic, and I was in TX at the time. I was probably bumping Dedication 1 more than this, and definitely Dedication 2. (and definitely all the SQAD Up mixtapes)
 

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I agree I noticed this recently. I was never a bug wayne thread though and he wasn't on my music radar at all then.
 
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