SUPERMAN by James Gunn (OUT now)

[O³ (O cubed)]

Its funny how nobody seen or read All Star Superman or Kingdom come....

Really?

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Its funny how nobody seen or read All Star Superman or Kingdom come....

I'll take the post crisis to Death of Superman (1986-1993) run over both of those. I thought it was nostalgia but I read it recently and that is, by far, my favorite interpretation of Superman.

 

[Still Benefited]

Maybe idk…. Lowkey since the end of Endgame Marvel hasn’t had a direction and I could see the chickens coming home to roost with FF. They needed either to recast or reboot going back to end game and their refusal to do so has lowkey written them into the corner. They also over expanded the line bringing TV shows into it. Instead of creating good shows they focused on trying to bringing all the obscure character characters to TV.

The original plan was for T’Challa to be the face of the MCU and the compromises they made to compensate for Boseman dying has left them fukked up. If FF bombs and Superman does well we might see people start calling for Feige’s head.

I assumed the plan was to transition some of these lesser characters into t.v. Also assumed we were going to get Xmen a little sooner than what it looks like. Doesnt make sense to recast Avengers until the XMen. Then you can just reboot and start making nww Iron Mans,Captain America ,Black Panther movies.


Im assuming maybe they are stalling to get Xmen right. Everything should be relaunched with Xmen.. There are no loose ends people care about tying up at this point. And i hope we arent doing xmen in this current universe. That wouldnt make any sense.

 

[Jazzy B.]

You apparently don't know what a "snyder bro" is And now you're backtracking on the ban bet like I knew you would. Move along..

And yes... that muthafukka Whedon is a hack! How is that controversial?

YOU are a Snyder bro and everyone in this thread can see that


No amount of autistic style deflecting or you attempting to bring up ban bets for points I never made is changing that.

If YOU keep bringing up “Snyder bros” and conflating them with MAGA just because someone says they likes Man of Steel better than this movie, I’m just gonna bring up your posts of you being the biggest Zach Snyder dikkeater on the coli so everyone can be reminded of how goofy you look.

Snyder is a God and that's all there is to it.

Whedon is a hack.

WB fukked up

 

[MenacingMonk]

Pretty good film, but I won’t watch it again. The new Supes did well and I don’t mind him as the future. Guy and Terrific were the best of the supporting cast. Hoult was solid as Luthor.

Was a little let down Bunk didn’t get much screen time. Some nice camera shots, especially the opening flying scene. Was not expecting the heel El squad.

MoS is still my favorite Supes film.

 

[nairdas]

Did he not get beat up in MoS and BvS? He only had really won outright vs steppenwolf in the last 20-30 minutes?

Nah in Man of Steel even when he was getting jumped by the two kryptonians he still get his licks in. He damn near knocked Faora out and he obviously killed General Zod. He was not getting his ass beat like the Superman in this movie.

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

Its funny how nobody seen or read All Star Superman or Kingdom come....

I have read both just curious what your point is?

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

Nah in Man of Steel even when he was getting jumped by the two kryptonians he still get his licks in. He damn near knocked Faora out and he obviously killed General Zod. He was not getting his ass beat like the Superman in this movie.

Lex has been studying this Superman for years and from what we saw in this movie his intellect is on a supernatural level (the man made a fukking pocket dimension for crying out loud). Which was the reason he was getting knocked around, they mention in the movie it was his first defeat. So for the three years he has been around this is the first time he was getting knocked around. I do think Gunn needs to scale the power level up. As in the opening crawl it mentioned Supes as the strongest meta. In these kind of movies you want to scale up.

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

I watched the movie again and upon second viewing enjoyed it a lot more than the first time. I think letting things digest and going back for a second viewing might change a lot of people’s opinion who are disappointed.


I still stand by my frustration with some of Gunns choices but very very excited to see what he and David do with this Supes.

 

[NobodyReally]

I watched the movie again and upon second viewing enjoyed it a lot more than the first time. I think letting things digest and going back for a second viewing might change a lot of people’s opinion who are disappointed.


I still stand by my frustration with some of Gunns choices but very very excited to see what he and David do with this Supes.

Same! I saw it again with my boyfriend and I enjoyed it much more the second time as well. Perhaps it was because my expectations were different? But yeah I could see Gunn’s vision here. I still think some of the dialogue was heavy handed though. I think I’ll revise my rating to a 8/10.

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

Same! I saw it again with my boyfriend and I enjoyed it much more the second time as well. Perhaps it was because my expectations were different? But yeah I could see Gunn’s vision here. I still think some of the dialogue was heavy handed though. I think I’ll revise my rating to a 8/10.

Yeah same here I went in with tempered expectation the second time as opposed to wanting to walk into the greatest cinematic experience of my life. I took in the movie more and the moments, I honestly believe with close revision Gunn vision could be crafted into something epic. He needs to drop certain quirks that he has which makes him insert certain things into his movies. Humour isn’t a bad thing when done moderately and in line with the appropriate moments which is something he should take onboard.


I pray and hope he listens to some of the criticism levied towards the movie as not all of it is blind hate. Some fans are genuinely just frustrated at some choices made as we can see how epic this can all be. I see some people already saying Gunn shouldn’t direct again and just be a producer but I would like to give him another crack at things provided he can revise some aspects and tighten up the script.

 

[Jay Kast]

I feel like I'm living in bizarro world.

I went with my brother and two friends to see this today. We all gave it a 4 or a 5 out of 10. James Gunn tried to Thor Ragnarok and Guardians of the Galaxy this shyt.

This shyt was mad corny and I'm going to go into depth on this while it's fresh on my mind.

Spoiler

1. If you're going to reboot a franchise as big as Superman you CANNOT forgo the origin story - you can't just 'Star Wars wall of text' that stuff! We go into the movie with no pretext on how Superman became Superman, the trials and tribulations he had to endure, what caused him to have such unwavering moral standards - none of it. For adults familiar with his story, its not a big deal, but if you are rebooting this for a new generation then they will have no pretext to a literal beacon of morality with the power to back it up.

2. Too many humorous parts that didn't land. It's not that there were too many funny instances, I'm okay with that, it's that the jokes didnt land 50% of the time. Krypto being an unruly dog can only work so many times. When the dog ragdolled Lex at the end, I literally put my hands on my face like ... come the fukk on. Mr. Terrific and Green Lantern did a great job keeping the lighthearted tonality but still maintaining a serious tone when it was needed (not Green Lantern with the middle finger tank flipping scene.. CORNY).

Superman prioritizing settling a debate and working on his relationship with Lois Lane over tending to the alien battle going on in the window with the Justice 'Gang' is totally off kilter. Sure, he values his relation with Lois Lane. Would he sit back and not help his comrades in a battle that threatens lives in Metropolis? Naaaah dawg.

3. The emotional scenes just didn't hit. I didn't care about Lois Lane whatsoever. The scene with Clark and his father outside of the house fell flat as it seemed that Clark was the father figure in that instance. His mother displaying no motherly bone whatsoever and calling the father mushy because he cared just struck me as weird, not good or bad, just weird. There were really no heavy moments or significant tension in this movie that made you stop eating your popcorn or sit on the edge of your seat to see what would happen, it was totally low stakes background noise.

4. Building on number three, Superman gets his ass whooped in 95% of the movie yet you never feel concerned. Granted, its Superman so I'll give that a pass but no scene in this movie made you worried or feel like the odds were in danger of changing to the villains favor. The only scene that made me feel like, "Damn... that really happened", was the moment when Lex Luthor was playing russian roulette with the arab guy and killed him. Everybody I was with, including me laughed - I was surprised it happened, but it was so inconsequential that it really didn't matter nor did I have any kind of emotional connection with him. Superman underperformed in his reaction to that moment.

5. .....fukk it, I'm not writing anymore lol. There were some good elements in this movie, particular the Justice 'Gang' scenes, Mr. Terrific especially. Lex Luthor was played by Hoult pretty well. The extra characters such as the president of Bravia (or whatever its called), Ahmed (the arab sacrifice), the robots in the fortress of Solitude, even Eve (I think thats her name, mutant toes). The production was off the charts, very well done. The sound, soundtrack, special effects (except when he was flying, my brother pointed out how you can tell his face is CGI applied onto the head during those sequences).

I am not Snydergang. I do love MoS. I can enjoy Justice League but I hate hate hate Rebel Moon and everything related to it. He is a director that needs to be reeled in with a good script and confined strictly to directorial status only.

I do prefer a more serious, darker Superman - why? Because as adults, we see the world differently than we did when we were kids. Kids are full of hope, purity, innocence and we align more with the idea that things are black and white. As adults we come to understand the nuances of what life brings you, situations that aren't easily solved, morals that are tested, pyrrhic victories, redemptive losses. My friend said this movie seemed to be made more for kids, and I agreed with him. It's surface level, flashy, puddle depth, lighthearted and attempts to be too 'catchy'. But like I said earlier, if there's no origin story for the kids, then it doesn't do well there either.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

 

[Black Excellence]

I feel like I'm living in bizarro world.

I went with my brother and two friends to see this today.

This shyt was mad corny

It’s corny if you make it.
It’s fun if you make it.

This movie’s enjoyment all depends on how you go into it

 

[Jaguar93]

Finally saw it…….9/10

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

I feel like I'm living in bizarro world.

I went with my brother and two friends to see this today. We all gave it a 4 or a 5 out of 10. James Gunn tried to Thor Ragnarok and Guardians of the Galaxy this shyt.

This shyt was mad corny and I'm going to go into depth on this while it's fresh on my mind.

Spoiler

1. If you're going to reboot a franchise as big as Superman you CANNOT forgo the origin story - you can't just 'Star Wars wall of text' that stuff! We go into the movie with no pretext on how Superman became Superman, the trials and tribulations he had to endure, what caused him to have such unwavering moral standards - none of it. For adults familiar with his story, its not a big deal, but if you are rebooting this for a new generation then they will have no pretext to a literal beacon of morality with the power to back it up.

2. Too many humorous parts that didn't land. It's not that there were too many funny instances, I'm okay with that, it's that the jokes didnt land 50% of the time. Krypto being an unruly dog can only work so many times. When the dog ragdolled Lex at the end, I literally put my hands on my face like ... come the fukk on. Mr. Terrific and Green Lantern did a great job keeping the lighthearted tonality but still maintaining a serious tone when it was needed (not Green Lantern with the middle finger tank flipping scene.. CORNY).

Superman prioritizing settling a debate and working on his relationship with Lois Lane over tending to the alien battle going on in the window with the Justice 'Gang' is totally off kilter. Sure, he values his relation with Lois Lane. Would he sit back and not help his comrades in a battle that threatens lives in Metropolis? Naaaah dawg.

3. The emotional scenes just didn't hit. I didn't care about Lois Lane whatsoever. The scene with Clark and his father outside of the house fell flat as it seemed that Clark was the father figure in that instance. His mother displaying no motherly bone whatsoever and calling the father mushy because he cared just struck me as weird, not good or bad, just weird. There were really no heavy moments or significant tension in this movie that made you stop eating your popcorn or sit on the edge of your seat to see what would happen, it was totally low stakes background noise.

4. Building on number three, Superman gets his ass whooped in 95% of the movie yet you never feel concerned. Granted, its Superman so I'll give that a pass but no scene in this movie made you worried or feel like the odds were in danger of changing to the villains favor. The only scene that made me feel like, "Damn... that really happened", was the moment when Lex Luthor was playing russian roulette with the arab guy and killed him. Everybody I was with, including me laughed - I was surprised it happened, but it was so inconsequential that it really didn't matter nor did I have any kind of emotional connection with him. Superman underperformed in his reaction to that moment.

5. .....fukk it, I'm not writing anymore lol. There were some good elements in this movie, particular the Justice 'Gang' scenes, Mr. Terrific especially. Lex Luthor was played by Hoult pretty well. The extra characters such as the president of Bravia (or whatever its called), Ahmed (the arab sacrifice), the robots in the fortress of Solitude, even Eve (I think thats her name, mutant toes). The production was off the charts, very well done. The sound, soundtrack, special effects (except when he was flying, my brother pointed out how you can tell his face is CGI applied onto the head during those sequences).

I am not Snydergang. I do love MoS. I can enjoy Justice League but I hate hate hate Rebel Moon and everything related to it. He is a director that needs to be reeled in with a good script and confined strictly to directorial status only.

I do prefer a more serious, darker Superman - why? Because as adults, we see the world differently than we did when we were kids. Kids are full of hope, purity, innocence and we align more with the idea that things are black and white. As adults we come to understand the nuances of what life brings you, situations that aren't easily solved, morals that are tested, pyrrhic victories, redemptive losses. My friend said this movie seemed to be made more for kids, and I agreed with him. It's surface level, flashy, puddle depth, lighthearted and attempts to be too 'catchy'. But like I said earlier, if there's no origin story for the kids, then it doesn't do well there either.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

The second part of your number 2 is what really stuck out to me. That didn't feel like something Superman would do. What as many people picking apart Man of Steel with saying he was doing things Superman wouldn't do, I'm surprised they haven't been pointing out that scene