Supreme Court rules in favor (5-4) of wealth test for immigrants

[88m3]

there isn't enough "legal" working age people do to the jobs




it's really that f'ing simple get it through your skulls, and this topic has nothing to do with illegal immigration for the millionth time

 

[DEAD7]

Look at the age, class, and location distributions of native workers. There isn't this giant population of chronically unemployed lower-working class native workers who are willing to live in rural agricultural areas and do manual labor seasonally. Multiple times when we've brought up farming or rural living on this board people have come out of the woodwork to say that Black folk ain't into farming no more, no one wants to live in the sticks anymore. But now Americans are suddenly gonna take the absolute worst jobs in some industrial agricultural plot in the middle of nowhere?

For the right wage Americans will work any job.

the ‘we need them to get these jobs done’ argument needs to die.

 

[DEAD7]

there isn't enough "legal" working age people do to the jobs




it's really that f'ing simple get it through your skulls, and this topic has nothing to do with illegal immigration for the millionth time

Black unemployment is still too high.
When it comes down I’ll entertain what we do or do not have the bodies for.

 

[88m3]

Black unemployment is still too high.
When it comes down I’ll entertain what we do or do not have the bodies for.

Is it?

It's currently around 5% and who knows how many people are working off the books

We've been in a labor shortage for awhile and that's even with undocumented people working

If we keep pushing legal immigrants away and carry on out some type of fantasy where all the undocumented are done away with our country would be in crisis.

The US is experiencing a widespread worker shortage. Here’s why.

You're talking out of your ass

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

I don’t buy the Americans won’t work those jobs narrative.
I believe it’s Americans won’t work those jobs for those wages.



What qualifies someone for asylum in your opinion?

A deal cant really be struck there amongst your first two sentences

I agree that americans would work less desirable jobs, at least temporarily, with better pay. but they also likely dont have the means to relocate to many of those jobs so they would need relocation assistance and better wages and companies arent gonna do that.

If the fed wants to fund a relocation program for some of the workers that fall into that category then that would help.

It would help younger people though. Those staying with parents with little to no bills

They may say hey if i can get $15-20/hr now doing x and wait for college or do part time..or do community college..then yeah thats possible

 

[DEAD7]

Is it?

It's currently around 5% and who knows how many people are working off the books

We've been in a labor shortage for awhile and that's even with undocumented people working

If we keep pushing legal immigrants away and carry on out some type of fantasy where all the undocumented are done away with our country would be in crisis.

The US is experiencing a widespread worker shortage. Here’s why.

You're talking out of your ass

Without disagreeing with you, lax immigration fuels the right and slows progress.
Given the choice between hating themselves for their failures or hating others(immigrants) Americans(people in general) rarely choose to hate themselves.


That said, id prefer to let the worker shortage play out... and go from there.
Getting black unemployment down to around 2% sounds great to me.

 

[DEAD7]

A deal cant really be struck there amongst your first two sentences

I agree that americans would work less desirable jobs, at least temporarily, with better pay. but they also likely dont have the means to relocate to many of those jobs so they would need relocation assistance and better wages and companies arent gonna do that.

If the fed wants to fund a relocation program for some of the workers that fall into that category then that would help.

It would help younger people though. Those staying with parents with little to no bills

They may say hey if i can get $15-20/hr now doing x and wait for college or do part time..or do community college..then yeah thats possible

I’m from a densely populated ag state(California) so I’m likely discounting the relocation needed for most areas.

if farms were offering $25-$30/hr to pick strawberries wouldn’t be no shortage of labor.

 

[88m3]

Without disagreeing with you, lax immigration fuels the right and slows progress.
Given the choice between hating themselves for their failures or hating others(immigrants) Americans(people in general) rarely choose to hate themselves.


That said, id prefer to let the worker shortage play out... and go from there.
Getting black unemployment down to around 2% sounds great to me.

The powers that be in the right largely supports lax immigration and lack of progress on immigration reform which puts downward pressure on wages



Play out into what? You're being nonsensical but you know that. We're already in labor crisis. As more boomers retire there is nothing to fill that vacuum currently other than immigrants, that's the reality of the situation whether anyone likes it or not.

That sounds swell to me too. If you cared about these issues you should support higher wages and access to health care.

I'd love for there to be 0% black unemployment rate, it sounds awesome!

With that in mind you have to remember that you're ignoring all available data and economic base while you're championing these things.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

For the right wage Americans will work any job.

the ‘we need them to get these jobs done’ argument needs to die.

What Americans? The pure numbers don't even exist in those places, that's the point I was making about demographics.

And you're talking $30/hour for strawberries as if those jobs would even exist at those wages.

That said, id prefer to let the worker shortage play out... and go from there.
Getting black unemployment down to around 2% sounds great to me.

Is 2% unemployment even possible for any meaningful time frame? I would assume at some point voluntary unemployment and natural imbalance between locations (the job opens up in Atlanta but the only person available is in Oakland) means there's some clear floor for how low unemployment can drop consistently. And if you don't have any flexibility in the labor force that lots of places would be fukked when they trying to fill positions, messing up their productivity, which could then increase unemployment with a pendulum effect. I'd assume something greater than 2% is necessary in reality.

That, of course, is another great argument for a UBI.

 

[Cave Savage]

as if certain countries don't have higher incomes than others, sure they will take the immigrant with $100k from chad, but let's be honest, there's a lot more of them in european and select asian countries. this is simply "economically justified" ethnic selectivity

Hardly any people from the wealthy parts of Europe migrate here in the first place

 

[ski]

Aside from refugees, people needing visas already undergo a "wealth test" at consulates.
Once they arrive they are not eligible for welfare.
What is the new difference?