Surgeon who makes $280K asks if she should marry her struggling actor boyfriend who made $23K last year.

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This x100. It's why I spent so much time clowning this forum and the nonsense from Kevin Samuels. Anyone who has worked in a professional setting, gone to college, or glanced at marriage demographic data knows that successful men gravitate to successful women. The idea that a man doesn't care what you do or if you went to college is nonsense. It's important and it becomes a status issue in those types of circles. Getting up the ladder becomes the game, and the fastest way to do that is with a successful spouse who helps raise your credit limit and helps get you into those social clubs while you send your kids to private school.

I've dated a woman who didn't go to college and worked in retail in her late 20s. And now I'm dating someone who makes a lot of money and is successful. I understand both things happen. But overall the norm is the latter: successful men pursuing successful women. So if you are a woman hell yes you should get as much education and success as you can. And hopefully pursue men in college who are on the same path as you.
I'd say its about 50/50
plenty of men just want an attractive well mattered chick to take care of his kids and suck him off
if you are making a certain amount like 250k you can lead more than a decent life with that one salary
a woman with her own goals will have less time for you
so its not crazy to say don't worry about your success
 

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This x100. It's why I spent so much time clowning this forum and the nonsense from Kevin Samuels. Anyone who has worked in a professional setting, gone to college, or glanced at marriage demographic data knows that successful men gravitate to successful women.
You slander that man's name and slip this little "professionals marry professionals" in every chance you get. The only uneducated women he thought had a chance were beautiful, stunning even. Are you really gonna lie and say that professional men don't value beauty? Some men want a 'partner,' others want a 'help-meet'.

@Gloxina, Do you not have professional men in your own family married to sahw/m's?
 

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I'd say its about 50/50
plenty of men just want an attractive well mattered chick to take care of his kids and suck him off
if you are making a certain amount like 250k you can lead more than a decent life with that one salary
a woman with her own goals will have less time for you
so its not crazy to say don't worry about your success

But we know it's not 50/50 because we have the marriage demographics data. The vast majority of successful people date and marry within the same socioeconomic bracket.

We're talking about people who have tutors, nannies, etc. They've chosen a very specific lifestyle that includes less time with your spouse. That comes with the territory of being a doctor, lawyer, etc. The dads aren't regularly going to their kids sports games and the moms aren't cooking or cleaning shyt (because they have a maid/nanny).
 

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You slander that man's name and slip this little "professionals marry professionals" in every chance you get. The only uneducated women he thought had a chance were beautiful, stunning even. Are you really gonna lie and say that professional men don't value beauty? Some men want a 'partner,' others want a 'help-meet'.

@Gloxina, Do you not have professional men in your own family married to sahw/m's?

I slander him because he was a fraud piece of shyt who sowed ignorance and division in the black community. Valuing beauty does not have anything to do with my argument. What men value from an attraction perspective varies widely, as we all know having seen married couples. There are attractive women in high income brackets, just as there are attractive women in lower income brackets. The point is that by and large a doctor isn't dating or marrying the local barista. He's more than likely dating or marrying someone from med school, or a similar high income profession. Or if he doesn't date down financially it's someone in the same field -a nurse, for instance.
 

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seen this play out before. dude was engineering making like 150k shorty was an oncologist making like 900k. dude was like why i gotta work we got more then enough money off her salary. (fact) he quit job. they still married that was like 8 years ago but she don't respect him and bad mouth him every chance she get.

Women don't want to be the only one working they start feeling like the mother. it's all biological...
 

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I slander him because he was a fraud piece of shyt who sowed ignorance and division in the black community. Valuing beauty does not have anything to do with my argument. What men value from an attraction perspective varies widely, as we all know having seen married couples. There are attractive women in high income brackets, just as there are attractive women in lower income brackets. The point is that by and large a doctor isn't dating or marrying the local barista. He's more than likely dating or marrying someone from med school, or a similar high income profession. Or if he doesn't date down financially it's someone in the same field -a nurse, for instance.

Exactly. There are fine doctors and lawyers everywhere. And in the lawyers case, they outnumber black men. Dudes just gotta choose.

After kids the majority of women say they not tryna work that many hours so they go in house or reduce their practice hours and still make more than 90% of America
 

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I slander him because he was a fraud piece of shyt who sowed ignorance and division in the black community.
:mjlol: Liar. His goal was increased black marriage rates ungirded by class consciousness. He explicitly loved Spelman woman and felt that like should be matched with like in matrimony. His SOLE exception was for young ("coachable") BEAUTIFUL women.

You're lying on a dead man and it's gross.
 

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But we know it's not 50/50 because we have the marriage demographics data. The vast majority of successful people date and marry within the same socioeconomic bracket.

We're talking about people who have tutors, nannies, etc. They've chosen a very specific lifestyle that includes less time with your spouse. That comes with the territory of being a doctor, lawyer, etc. The dads aren't regularly going to their kids sports games and the moms aren't cooking or cleaning shyt (because they have a maid/nanny).
the social dynamic is more of the family she comes from
not her own money/profession
her father or family could be rich and that is all that is need for her to have that status
plenty of woman in those situation are looking for husbands with status not working on their own professions
they live off dad and dudes will marry her just for the family association
 

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You slander that man's name and slip this little "professionals marry professionals" in every chance you get. The only uneducated women he thought had a chance were beautiful, stunning even. Are you really gonna lie and say that professional men don't value beauty? Some men want a 'partner,' others want a 'help-meet'.

@Gloxina, Do you not have professional men in your own family married to sahw/m's?
So, here’s the thing— I truly understand both sides of the debate.

I have highly educated professional women in my family who have truly achieved greatness, but they were stressed because their spouses were not at the same level which caused some tension, especially since they were still performing traditional duties outside of work. Woman to woman- they would not recommend.

I have power couples in my family who outsource household duties to hired help/services. True intellectual equals and we sit and pick their brains endlessly because they are always involved with major things that are happening.

I have seen the traditional family unit where the hubby was abusive and the wife had to leave with her life and the clothes on her back. The professionals (yes plural) he married later had their own, so when they discovered how ain’t shyt he was they were able to fight in court with their own money, get what they were supposed to get and move on into their own McMansions that they could afford with their careers.

I’ve also got traditional couples where somehow the guy really is an angel and the wife is a horrible homemaker. Now, IIIIIIIII would give a man a peaceful home and well mannered children in that set up (and yes I’m judging because I love the men in my family lol). But what I will also say is that these wives are also the least stressed out of everyone so they got something right from my perspective so I ain’t judging completely :hubie:

Last, but not least, I’ve had the example of SAHW who have calm, healthy marriages and homes who pour their all into their families, and you can see it in how wholesome and secure the children are. They are great examples.


(I have a big extended family so I mean it when I say I’ve seen it all).

The key thing is when you lock into these unions. That’s the piece of info that some skip when talking about being a SAHW.
And the fact is, you still have the best chance to meet the type of guy who can provide this life in college. Even if you don’t plan to have a career outside of the home, you still want to be able to fit into certain circles and contribute to conversations with his peers and colleagues when you attend events, so ladies still need to have an education and at least some work experience (or volunteer in a space related to their field of study/expertise).


So, being a SAHW is still a goal for many (and yay for the ladies whose hubbies can make that happen!), but going to college is still a key way to encounter the right kinda guy…which is why I said the men who tell women education isn’t important are either low income or low class. They’re encouraging young women to avoid the one place where they will have the best chance of meeting men who are/will be of a certain caliber.

Basically, @HarlemHottie , you got it right. But at a certain point a lady having your results/lifestyle may not be feasible.
 

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Basically, @HarlemHottie , you got it right. But at a certain point a lady having your results/lifestyle may not be feasible.
My niece could be doing it rn but she's a Cap- you understand.

I think it's still feasible. We're simply not raising the women to inspire such devotion, nor the bm who take proper offense to another man 'paying his woman for her time,' whole different conversation. :usure:
 
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