Swizz Beatz >>>>>>>>>> Pete Rock and it's not even close

[bigbadbossup2012]

After 98? What connections?
I don't necessarily agree/disagree with your breakdown - my point and your breakdown aren't mutually exclusive - but to say no one takes issue with the music Macklemore makes (just the music itself) is absolutely wrong

I'm not saying people don't genuinely dislike it. I'm saying my breakdown of the situation is what makes his success such a travesty.

 

[mobbinfms]

I didnt act like anything. And I already explained why i felt they went to him. What's really important to note is how many nikkas went to him yet ended up with nothing of relevance. With the exception of songs that were already in rotation without his help and he did a remix of it. Nice lil hustle, I salute him.

You mean commercially relevant? His remixes were always directed towards the core audience - nobody was getting a remix from him to try to get daytime radio play.

 

[mobbinfms]

I'm not saying people don't genuinely dislike it. I'm saying my breakdown of the situation is what makes his success such a travesty.

I don't disagree with that.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

OP makes some good points tho

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

You mean commercially relevant? His remixes were always directed towards the core audience - nobody was getting a remix from him to try to get daytime radio play.

So basically because of the bias toward the "ny sound" they fukked with him? Doesnt make him great. Just a hell of a good hustle

 

[mobbinfms]

So basically because of the bias toward the "ny sound" they fukked with him? Doesnt make him great. Just a hell of a good hustle

It wasn't a bias towards a sound though. That was the regional sound (and largely the sound for hip-hop with minor regional variations until the early 90s when major regional variations took hold). NY is where it started - so their sound was the template until other regions came up with their own flavor. Artists in the NY region were going to PR for remixes b/c there wasn't yet a large degree of cross pollination between regions. Brand Nubian wasn't gonna go to Dre for a remix or Mike Dean. He was the hottest producer in the game for a minute for his region. Which was all a producer could really aspire to be at the time.

 

[Insensitive]

Again. Ladfy Taffy performed well in the streets. Ying Yang had songs that went hard in the club.
That Pete Has classics is not my opinion. Whether something is classic or not is not an opinion. Either it is or it isn't.

And where are the Laffy Taffy guys now ?
I'm pretty sure Swizz has enjoyed a career that's 3 or 4 times
as long as theirs.

I think Swizz gets undue hate and he's one of the better Hip Hop producers
out there.
Dude can sample or make a beat without them, he's talented
Whether or not he's better than Pete Rock is another discussion but the
outright dismissal of Swizz's skills doesn't seem fair to me.

 

[mobbinfms]

And where are the Laffy Taffy guys now ?
I'm pretty sure Swizz has enjoyed a career that's 3 or 4 times
as long as theirs.

I think Swizz gets undue hate and he's one of the better Hip Hop producers
out there.
Dude can sample or make a beat without them, he's talented
Whether or not he's better than Pete Rock is another discussion but the
outright dismissal of Swizz's skills doesn't seem fair to me.

That's the discussion we are having. I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying - but these things go in a very different direction when the thread title is "Swizz >>>>>>>>>> Pete Rock and it's not even close". It was a thread title looking for a strong reaction. And it got one!
If the thread title had been something more neutral or just about Swizz - things would have played out differently.

 

[definition]

True definition of apples and oranges. No one's mad cause caclemore made that corny shyt. They're mad because his white privilege and gay cheerleading allows his bullshyt to get pushed on an uneven playing field.
Meanwhile alot of what black people wanted to do,was minimized or outright denied by the powers that be. Hell,lil brother was told their music was too intelligent,while they were pushing a great sounding song called "lovin it". Pete had just as much of a chance as swizz so it's a much different scenario. Both had connections. Swizz had his uncles,pete had his cousin heavy d. He was sour grapes cause swizz was blowing up. But swizz blew up fair and square on an even playing field,using his creativity. I agree pete's beats are more complex,but that doesn't mean they're better.

It's nice that you mention Lil' Brother ... because that group wouldn't exist if there was no Pete Rock.

It's not just about commercial success (i actually think it's not about commercial success at all, but I see the argument that it matters some). Pete Rock has a span of influence that Swizz Beats will never come close to having.

You keep going back to "that ny sound" - THAT IS PETE ROCK'S SOUND. You try to dismiss the dude, while the whole time ignoring your own admissions of his vast influence over an entire era of rap (not to mention a good portion of what followed).

You should keep steering the discussion to be about sales -- it's the only argument you have.

 

[Self_Born7]

swizz is pop, dance music... Pete Rock hip hop... no comparison... in the 90's your joint wasn't official with out that Pete Rock remix.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

swizz is pop, dance music... Pete Rock hip hop... no comparison... in the 90's your joint wasn't official with out that Pete Rock remix.

why is swizz not hiphop? RR anthem isnt hiphop, money cash hoes, styles p Good times? That's dance music? Excuses excuses

 

[Self_Born7]

why is swizz not hiphop? RR anthem isnt hiphop, money cash hoes, styles p Good times? That's dance music? Excuses excuses

hip hop is pete rock... hip POP is Pharell,

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

hip hop is pete rock... hip POP is Pharell,

What does Pharrell have to do with anything? Also hiphop was defined far before Pete had his career. People were in the park grooving and dancing to hiphop. Hell, break dancing is a huge part of hiphop. But if someone makes "dance" music they're less hiphop? Mannnnn ya'll making this too easy for me. And looking like idiots in the process

 

[YourMajesty]

Swizz had some shyt



and he did the first part of Murder To Excellence on Watch the Throne

 

[THE 101]

The nerve of this nikka talking about Swizz Beatz is better than Pete Rock..........fukk outta here son!!......the beats posted above alone shyt on anything Swizz has ever done..........

Hip hop must be the only genre that younger generations go out of their way to shyt on legends. Can you imagine a rock fan going out of his way to belittle the rolling stones?

The shyt is lame and ignorant. No one is forcing you to listen to Pete but why you have to shyt on him just to big up Swizz fukking beatz?