Ta-Nehisi Coates and Ezra Klein Hash Out Their Charlie Kirk Disagreement

[Scustin Bieburr]

Uncompromising people are easy to admire.
However, history shows they aren’t the ones who drive progress.

Exactly. That's why America is the best of the British colonies old chap. Good thing Washington and the rest had constructive debates and discussions and came to a compromise.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to oil my chains. I'm glad massa allowed me to learn how to read and write and gives me 5 minutes of screen time. Thank goodness Abraham Lincoln was able to compromise with Jefferson Davis when it came to my humanity. I may be 3/5ths of a man, but i wish sometimes massa an em didn't work me as much as 3 men hahaha oh well, maybe that John brown fellow will have a fruitful discussion and with any luck, maybe 4 or 5 presidential administrations from now I'll be considered 3.5/5ths of a man

 

[Wargames]

Listened and might have to tap out at 14 minutes. Ta-Nehisi talks about how Black Americans that are linked back to slavery have a life experience and family historically intrinsically linked to political violence which means more awareness of how widespread it is

Then Ezra's direct response is just saying that looking at too much history makes the present too deterministic and he basically wants to focus on why democrats lost in the past 12 years or so


fukk you bytch. you know how much Black pain Ta-Nehisi brought up there? And you just hand wave it and wanna focus on why the good whites are losing ground to the evil whites in elections? its because TOO MANY OF YOUR RACE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE EVIL AND HOW THEY TREAT MINORITIES (AND GET AWAY WITH IT) DEMONSTRATES IT!!!!!

What you’re saying is exactly what I typically seen white liberals say and do when confronted with the reality of black people in politics. They can’t empathize or even sympathize with it because it’s directly tied to their own experience. If Klein admits to the fact that black people are more aware of political violence and the outcomes of it than he would be as a white man, he immediately gives up his claim as an expert and would have to listen instead of attempt to dictate and white people inherently have a problem not being the protagonist/leader in every scenario.

There is always this paternalistic approach to black people by white liberals and when the alternative is hostility by conservatives we continue to be forced to engage with this as the better option.

 

[WIA20XX]

Klein has far too many financial incentives tied up in acting like a moron for me to take him seriously on any political topic that affects anyone other than members of his race and class.

I truly wish Ezra Klein was just a bought and paid for Liberal.
If that was the case, he'd be like Vance, for sale to the highest bidder.

Then it would just take someone of different politics to pay for him.

He actually believes what he says......50% of the time.

Right before ol boy got Kirk'd





When someone takes the threat seriously? The threat he's been talking about

He runs to these people



But because he's of 2 minds...smh, right after that he says



..........

I gotta pull the transcript on this joint to talk about Coates, but not even the great TNC can get Klein to see his own blind spots.

 

[Wargames]

I truly wish Ezra Klein was just a bought and paid for Liberal.
If that was the case, he'd be like Vance, for sale to the highest bidder.

Then it would just take someone of different politics to pay for him.

He actually believes what he says......50% of the time.

Right before ol boy got Kirk'd





When someone takes the threat seriously? The threat he's been talking about

He runs to these people



But because he's of 2 minds...smh, right after that he says



..........

I gotta pull the transcript on this joint to talk about Coates, but not even the great TNC can get Klein to see his own blind spots.

I thought he sonned him and the appeasement movement something serious in that vanity fair article, but based on this apparently not.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Is Coates holding his ground or does Klein get what he wanted with the podcast offer: a friendly agree to disagree mixed in with some "well I will concede that x and you concede that yz..."

Klein is on record this year saying all types of shyt that he would likely declare hyperbolic if a more liberal (or leftist) unpopular politician said it. And frankly I'm tired of the framing that a lot of Americans think x so [enter normalization attempt]. What did a lot of Americans think in 1963, and was that enough to justify not supporting civil rights?

 

[Remote]

Exactly. That's why America is the best of the British colonies old chap. Good thing Washington and the rest had constructive debates and discussions and came to a compromise.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to oil my chains. I'm glad massa allowed me to learn how to read and write and gives me 5 minutes of screen time. Thank goodness Abraham Lincoln was able to compromise with Jefferson Davis when it came to my humanity. I may be 3/5ths of a man, but i wish sometimes massa an em didn't work me as much as 3 men hahaha oh well, maybe that John brown fellow will have a fruitful discussion and with any luck, maybe 4 or 5 presidential administrations from now I'll be considered 3.5/5ths of a man

Lol
I’m not suggesting everything is up for compromise. After all even Lincoln made compromises before the time was right to move forward on the 13th Amendment.

Now maybe it’s fair to criticize him for stalling as long as he did. I’m just stating a point…

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

I truly wish Ezra Klein was just a bought and paid for Liberal.
If that was the case, he'd be like Vance, for sale to the highest bidder.

Then it would just take someone of different politics to pay for him.

He actually believes what he says......50% of the time.

Right before ol boy got Kirk'd





When someone takes the threat seriously? The threat he's been talking about

He runs to these people



But because he's of 2 minds...smh, right after that he says



..........

I gotta pull the transcript on this joint to talk about Coates, but not even the great TNC can get Klein to see his own blind spots.

With all due respect I'm not clicking any of those links. Doing so gives him engagement which gives him money and further justifies his willful stupidity. I dont doubt he believe some of his garbage because of the cultural millieu and education he had(e.g. no black friends and no reason to actually learn about or care about what black people are going through beyond the sanitized teachings he got in school and saw on corporate media).

Take his 'abundance' policy agenda which is practically indistinguishable from neoliberalism and essentially is a doubling down on the shyt that doesn't work. Shockingly his solution is to just make life even easier for corporations and wealthy politicians who will pay him to give them retarded advice that doesn't force them to actually engage with the electorate and listen to what theyre telling their leaders they want. He's profiting off being a dumbass, and he's profiting of the engagement he gets by platforming morons like Ben Shapiro.

 

[Ish Gibor]

With all due respect I'm not clicking any of those links. Doing so gives him engagement which gives him money and further justifies his willful stupidity. I dont doubt he believe some of his garbage because of the cultural millieu and education he had(e.g. no black friends and no reason to actually learn about or care about what black people are going through beyond the sanitized teachings he got in school and saw on corporate media).

Take his 'abundance' policy agenda which is practically indistinguishable from neoliberalism and essentially is a doubling down on the shyt that doesn't work. Shockingly his solution is to just make life even easier for corporations and wealthy politicians who will pay him to give them retarded advice that doesn't force them to actually engage with the electorate and listen to what theyre telling their leaders they want. He's profiting off being a dumbass, and he's profiting of the engagement he gets by platforming morons like Ben Shapiro.

You could just pause it at the beginning, and download them. You can use a free download tool, or page inspector (inspect element tool) to download the link.

 

[WIA20XX]

Is Coates holding his ground or does Klein get what he wanted with the podcast offer: a friendly agree to disagree mixed in with some "well I will concede that x and you concede that yz..."

Coates, pushes back, but only gently so.

@RamsayBolton basically shows who Klein truly is.

In a lot of ways, Klein is pulling a Joe Rogan. He lets people speak at length, and doesn't need to push back at all.
They hang themselves with their own words.

And just like Rogan, he "platforms" straight up idiots.

And he's smart enough to talk about "attention" being the new currency.

It's honestly quite bewildering, much like Trump - I can't ever understand his logic, his philosophy, his ideology.

Every little episode, every thought, every argument - exists in vacuum and has zero impact on everything else.

Klein is on record this year saying all types of shyt that he would likely declare hyperbolic if a more liberal (or leftist) unpopular politician said it. And frankly I'm tired of the framing that a lot of Americans think x so [enter normalization attempt]. What did a lot of Americans think in 1963, and was that enough to justify not supporting civil rights?

A question that needs an answer

 

[WIA20XX]

Americans would rather vote for the real Republican racist than a mealy-mouthed fake one. Newsome even figured it out.

 

[Wargames]

Coates, pushes back, but only gently so.

@RamsayBolton basically shows who Klein truly is.

In a lot of ways, Klein is pulling a Joe Rogan. He lets people speak at length, and doesn't need to push back at all.
They hang themselves with their own words.

And just like Rogan, he "platforms" straight up idiots.

And he's smart enough to talk about "attention" being the new currency.

It's honestly quite bewildering, much like Trump - I can't ever understand his logic, his philosophy, his ideology.

Every little episode, every thought, every argument - exists in vacuum and has zero impact on everything else.



A question that needs an answer

So his philosophy is episodic like Rogan.... Is this motherfukker the left's Rogan? As much as I think he is a little bytch, is he a platform for liberal ideas like Rogan is for conservative ones?

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Coates a soft shoe c00n, he talks real shyt just enough to keep credibility but he always backs down and capitulates to power. Wouldn’t no real nikka be friends with a p*ssy like Ezra Klein.

You live here

 

[WIA20XX]

So his philosophy is episodic like Rogan.... Is this motherfukker the left's Rogan?

LOL, the Dems wish. They've been searching for a liberal Theo Von since the election. Plenty of columns and podcasts about it.

Meanwhile there are plenty of liberal comedians with podcasts. (there's a whole pushback against comedians with podcasts)

As much as I think he is a little bytch, is he a platform for liberal ideas like Rogan is for conservative ones?

Not really, imo. Ezra started out as a political blogger, when having a blog mattered. So post Howard Dean and through the Obama era. Pre-Podcast, Pre-Vlog. He started Vox.

He's a policy wonk at heart

So he has talked about Mamdani, and his clever campaigning, but not so much about his POLICY.
AOC? No
Bernie? No.

Anyone really in that realm of mainstream but left? Not really.

At best, he's trying to bring back state capacity to build things like Lefty China and Europe...but with a neo-liberal slant...maybe? (Abundance)

Is he talking about court packing?
Proportional representation instead of the electoral college?

And those aren't even "Left" issues....

So no, he's not the Left Joe Rogan. He's not even a Liberal Joe Rogan.
He's more like the nerdy kid with the Democrat Centrists.

 

[CHICAGO]

Is this a real criticism?
Because it seems like you’re bashing a guy for not being an uncompromising militant.

We see this a lot where the moment a person fails some arbitrary purity test, they get tossed aside

YOURE NOT BLACK
SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING?



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[Remote]

YOURE NOT BLACK
SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING?



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