Takeoff (The Migos) Killed In Houston

[spliz]

Of course, prices went up for everyone, but we all know minorities feel that effect more. Katrina did have a heavy effect to not just Louisiana because there were families displaced and migrated to other parts of the country.

I'm trying to figure out what point she's trying to make. That black men are more inherently violent than other races? That's some real white racist cracka talking point.

 

[Left.A1]

How does everything I laid out not have anything to do with the situation when someone worth millions literally died over a dice game?

Because nothing you wrote had anything to do with the actual case … 0 ..no relevance no causation ..just like the piranha example I mentioned.. additionally I told you exactly why they had no relevance for each bullet point in my last post ..you continuing to circle back on those irrelevant talking points won’t make them magically pertinent

And this isn't some rare fact. What is your explanation of how and why these rappers are dying to gun violence when other artists aren't like that? XXXtentacion, Dolph, PnB Rock, & Takeoff all gone in the last 4 years. Please provide me with similar artist deaths in another genre since this is an American gun violence problem and has nothing to do with our culture & sense of community.

Firstly the fact that you are grouping all of these cases together which all had different motives is indicative of your fundamental problem …you keep trying to marry causation regardless of circumstance due to these individuals sharing an occupation.. thats intellectually lazy and factually incorrect.. XXXtentacion and PNB Rock as an example were robbery attempts ..did anyone rob Takeoff? No ..just jumbling cases together is trite logically

You're talking down to the wrong person. You're the genius who thinks America having a gun problem and hip hop having a culture problem are mutually exclusive ideas.

The fact that you continue to not comprehend correlation v causation while rambling about not getting talked down to is ironic … the fact that you are comparing something empirical like gun violence to something ambiguous like “hiphop culture” which may be defined 5 different ways by 5 different people is even more indicative of why this is tripping you up

Here are some (easily Google-available) stats:

• Young Black Americans (ages 15 to 34) experience the highest rates of gun homicides across all demographics.
• Black Americans are 10 times more likely than white Americans to die by gun homicide.
• In 2020, 12,179 Black Americans were killed with guns, compared with 7,286 white Americans:
  • While Black Americans made up 12.5 percent of the U.S. population that year, yet they were the victims in 61 percent of all gun homicides.

This is another prime example of some pretty dubious shoehorning …it’s like you can’t help yourself ..unless your point is to state that hip hop is directly responsible for all of these statistics this kind of soapboxing is completely irrelevant to the conversation and only serves as your vessel to erroneously inject your premeditated agenda that you came into this thread engage in…

However.. if you ARE saying that hip hop is directly responsible for these numbers I want you to simply answer why this so called pervasive violence stemming from hip hop doesn’t impact white kids in that same age demo as they consume this music nearly as much as blacks …this is the quantity that you “it’s da cultcha” bro’s can never seem to solve for

If you think this is all happening independent of hip hop culture, you are just lying to yourself and no stat will ever convince you otherwise. Anyone that's been around middle class black men knows this shyt is pulling black men down at the margins.

Too many brehs being lost to the bullshyt, yet "we" celebrate it in the music and people like you will go on and on excusing the music.

No ..this is more babble ..the reality is that people like you are comfortable being intellectually lazy and want a nice easy simple answer to nuanced problems that have been plaguing this country and the black community in particular for decades before a “hippity hop” was ever uttered …you want a simple scapegoat because simple is easy to fix and less time consuming and it also is ego stroking as it makes you feel like you “got the secret answer”

Let me ask you...all this shyt aside, are you cool with music that portrays killing other black men as cool or masculine? Even if you don't think it contributes to crime...that somehow the millions of people listening to this day in and day out somehow don't have their thoughts or impulses influenced by it...do you think it benefits our people on the whole?

Simple question.

If going into a booth and releasing pent up aggression via fictional rhymes keeps these young men from actually risking their freedom or even worse taking another human beings life in the real world outside of a recording booth ..yes ..I think that is tangibly beneficial to those young men as a whole given the far too common reality of a lot of their circumstance

Conversely I’ll ask you …if you eradicated all of the so called gangster rap and all of the nikkas allegedly talking about killing other black men in songs today ..right now ..right this moment ..do you believe that black communities that have been home to some of the most violent and poverty stricken conditions in this country would no longer display those characteristics?


Simple question

 

[Alfred0Santana]

shyt done had me throwed off all day. Wasn’t the biggest Migos fan but everybody know Take was the one spitting that shyt.

Dude died off an argument he didn’t even have a word in. Wasn’t even involved in. One of the main reasons I deaded clubs and parties is I been paranoid of being caught in some wrong place wrong time shyt. RIP Takeoff. Sad.

 

[Insensitive]

I'm sure they would if they had a real reason to.

"I don't see you in Smino threads" probably doesn't rise to the level of infraction.

But the elephant in the room is that you have no counterarguments to the point I raise about anti-Blackness in hip hop so all you're left with is deflections and name calling, that alone tells the story.

No.
You don't care about any Hip-Hop which doesn't fit your agenda.

You avoid, dismiss and ignore anything that doesn't fit your agenda.

You're a good troll tbh.

Dishonesty is your trade and you ply it well.

 

[spliz]

Because nothing you wrote had anything to do with the actual case … 0 ..no relevance no causation ..just like the piranha example I mentioned.. additionally I told you exactly why they had no relevance for each bullet point in my last post ..you continuing to circle back on those irrelevant talking points won’t make them magically pertinent

Firstly the fact that you are grouping all of these cases together which all had different motives is indicative of your fundamental problem …you keep trying to marry causation regardless of circumstance due to these individuals sharing an occupation.. thats intellectually lazy and factually incorrect.. XXXtentacion and PNB Rock as an example were robbery attempts ..did anyone rob Takeoff? No ..just jumbling cases together is trite logically


The fact that you continue to not comprehend correlation v causation while rambling about not getting talked down to is ironic … the fact that you are comparing something empirical like gun violence to something ambiguous like “hiphop culture” which may be defined 5 different ways by 5 different people is even more indicative of why this is tripping you up


This is another prime example of some pretty dubious shoehorning …it’s like you can’t help yourself ..unless your point is to state that hip hop is directly responsible for all of these statistics this kind of soapboxing is completely irrelevant to the conversation and only serves as your vessel to erroneously inject your premeditated agenda that you came into this thread engage in…

However.. if you ARE saying that hip hop is directly responsible for these numbers I want you to simply answer why this so called pervasive violence stemming from hip hop doesn’t impact white kids in that same age demo as they consume this music nearly as much as blacks …this is the quantity that you “it’s da cultcha” bro’s can never seem to solve for


No ..this is more babble ..the reality is that people like you are comfortable being intellectually lazy and want a nice easy simple answer to nuanced problems that have been plaguing this country and the black community in particular for decades before a “hippity hop” was ever uttered …you want a simple scapegoat because simple is easy to fix and less time consuming and it also is ego stroking as it makes you feel like you “got the secret answer”


If going into a booth and releasing pent up aggression via fictional rhymes keeps these young men from actually risking their freedom or even worse taking another human beings life in the real world outside of a recording booth ..yes ..I think that is tangibly beneficial to those young men as a whole given the far too common reality of a lot of their circumstance

Conversely I’ll ask you …if you eradicated all of the so called gangster rap and all of the nikkas allegedly talking about killing other black men in songs today ..right now ..right this moment ..do you believe that black communities that have been home to some of the most violent and poverty stricken conditions in this country would no longer display those characteristics?


Simple question

BINGO at the bolded.

 

[Left.A1]

You can’t possibly be arguing this isn’t hip hop culture. My goodness

There’s a simple and deeper answer to this.

Simple: J Prince has managed tons of rappers, and Jas Prince broke Drake. The Prince family are major players in the rap game. Simultaneously, they are DEEP in the Houston underworld. So immediately , there’s the rap link.

That’s THEIR (Jas and Jprinces) link to hip hop… not hip hop culture in and of itself ..you don’t have to be affiliated with no damn JPrince to participate in hip hop ..the hell are you talking about Not even reading the rest of this shyt based off this opening alone as I know it’s likely filled with confused nonsense

This is the 2nd rap affiliated dude killed messing around with J Prince jr. and people close to him. And it’s the same for virtually all rap crews, they are literal street crews. Therefore you can barely be a rapper without being linked to the streets—-and when I say streets, I mean GANGS, murderers, drug traffickers, literal drug rackets. (YFN, NBA, O Block, etc)

That is the very simple straight line between 2 points . How anyone can argue that, I have no idea

The deeper answer is the rap game is now about flash and taunting. So when a rapper is around street cats who 99% of the time are the biggest fish around, those street cats feel a way. Their ego isnt often challenged…and when their ego is challagened, they only know one way to respond.

If you need more psycholgical backing for this, go read up on Mike Tyson. He said all that pretty much verbatim as to why he acted out as a youth. He felt inferior so he robbed folk. Physical aggression was the only way he felt like a man. Now imagine what’s going on in street cats minds

OR! Just think this is all happenstance and we don’t have a problem

 

[Insensitive]

"Da Culture" cats sound exactly like the kinds of people who shyt on Haiti, Jamaica, any country that isn't remotely successful
in Africa, The Suburbs of France, The Hoods of the UK etc.

Any place where Black folks congregate.

shyt is textbook storm front.


I half expect y'all to start talking about mud huts and superior european technology or something.

 

[InstantKlassik]

You dudes have ruined a R.I.P. thread with bullshyt. Nobody cares about y’all opinions on the culture. Shut the fukk up.

 

[Insensitive]

You dudes have ruined a R.I.P. thread with bullshyt. Nobody cares about y’all opinions on the culture. Shut the fukk up.

Regrettably, I contributed to it.
Normally I don't say anything but here we have someone who wasn't woofin or fightin or doing anything.

Literally just a bystander murdered by being around and these people are coming out to talk about "Hip-Hop" which literally doesn't factor
into Takeoff losing his life last night at all.

A lot of these posts are disgusting and in poor taste.

 

[Money Be Green]

Another 1017 soldier gone

 

[Money Be Green]

This was the first time I heard them. This was a couple months before the yrn mixtape. I thought it was only 2 of them. Back when wshh had piff

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Go ahead and roll ur eyes to the FACTS shorty I don't have time to give u a history lesson tho. Do ur research and then Holla at me. Also u never been to asian hoods? They got gangs and all kinda shyt. Word to China Mac.

i am from and live in oakland, yes i've been in asian hoods, no one said they are crime free, i said the homicide rate is lower...killing is not as prevalent

and it's amazing how people don't have time to prove the disconnected points they bring up...

 

[Left.A1]

"Da Culture" cats sound exactly like the kinds of people who shyt on Haiti, Jamaica, any country that isn't remotely successful
in Africa, The Suburbs of France, The Hoods of the UK etc.

Any place where Black folks congregate.

shyt is textbook storm front.


I half expect y'all to start talking about mud huts and superior european technology or something.

1000% correct … and that’s the root of a lot of this disgusting commentary you see around these tragedies… bad faith “nikkas” exploiting these young mens deaths and leveraging them as platforms to soapbox their low bro babble

 

[REAL6]

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Of course, prices went up for everyone, but we all know minorities feel that effect more. Katrina did have a heavy effect to not just Louisiana because there were families displaced and migrated to other parts of the country.

and yet crime has disproportionately gone up for black men...i guess higher prices are pulling triggers

and katrina victims migrated mainly to other gulf states - as my post said - and those that went further did not go en masse...like how you blaming katrina for an uptick in homicide nationwide i lost two middle school friends between 04-05, oakland's homicide rate was on a tear in the early 00's...i can't pinpoint what was going on other than a new generation coming of age but it surely wasn't katrina (uptick in the late 80's early 90's coincided with a lot of gen x coming to age, 00's was millennials, and now it's gen z...my non scientific opinion is that new generation coming of age is what drives these spikes)