Target Workers Unionize for Better Pay, Get Replaced By Robots

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Just like the UAW pushed back against globalization and automation............ which is why like 98% of American cars are made outside of the US :dead:

The problem is not wages or automation or w/e. The global economy has fundamentally changing and the only way to survive in it is to be able to stay ahead of it or adapt to it. Unionizing in 2015 is basically admitting defeat.... these people would be better served by new job training and placement to do other things.

People keep saying labor is being destroyed and not replaced but with every huge technological innovation that has shaken up the workplace the jobs that were lost were more than replaced. There were interim periods of transition that were tough but ultimately I think if we collectively get our heads out of our asses we can really seize this opportunity.

Don't think the job losses are getting replaced this time around. And all those other time periods where technological innovation shaked things up, had far less people...


Outside of that, I agree with you. People are gonna have to adapt one way or the other.
 

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They would have done it anyway. They just used the unionization excuse to do so in a less unacceptable fashion.

Exactly. You don't roboticize overnight. They spent a long time assessing the costs and whether replacing workers would be cheaper than keeping them around. You have to spend a lot of money to install all of this equipment. They just looked for a convenient opportunity to roll this out.
 

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when will the worker have security worthy of the American dream
first you had to be scared of the immigrants taking your job, now it's the robots

I say let it all play out, give all the jobs to robots and none for the humans
now what do you do?
who's buying your product with no one working
play any iteration you would like of this scenario
at which point does the necessary ecology of money's flow become apparent and we all realize that we are causing needless suffering just for some made up game called capitalism
 

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By not attempting to socialize feudal societies with negligible urban population or industry.
Russia was not feudal :snoop:

And the feudal aspect of China is not what brought those deaths on, the govt taking over agriculture did.

Not to mention, communism didn't bring those people out of feudalism, capitalism did :russ: :biggapls:

Plus with the single party, absolutist system required for communism to work, how do you deal with govt corruption? Communism offers no way out of bad govt besides revolution and bloodshed. You are not thinking this through bro.
 

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Russia was not feudal :snoop:

And the feudal aspect of China is not what brought those deaths on, the govt taking over agriculture did.

Not to mention, communism didn't bring those people out of feudalism, capitalism did :russ: :biggapls:

Russia in 1917 was a feudalistic culture and economy with several small industrial centers. This being after basically 30 years of breakneck attempts to industrialize the nation. It had a 90% rural population. Nobles owned 2/5 of the land. It was 60 years past serfdom. It was ruled by a hereditary autocrat with paper thin, decade old democratic institutions. It was absolutely a feudalistic society and your attempt to dispute that belays your ignorance of the subject. There's a reason that there was huge debate amongst socialists all over the world about the Bolsheviks breaking with Marxist orthodoxy by attempting socialism in a backwards culture. That's just historic fact.

Yes, you realize we agree correct? Capitalism is needed to properly transition from feudalism.
 

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Russia in 1917 was a feudalistic culture and economy with several small industrial centers. This being after basically 30 years of breakneck attempts to industrialize the nation. It had a 90% rural population. Nobles owned 2/5 of the land. It was 60 years past serfdom. It was ruled by a hereditary autocrat with paper thin, decade old democratic institutions. It was absolutely a feudalistic society and your attempt to dispute that belays your ignorance of the subject. There's a reason that there was huge debate amongst socialists all over the world about the Bolsheviks breaking with Marxist orthodoxy by attempting socialism in a backwards culture. That's just historic fact.

Yes, you realize we agree correct? Capitalism is needed to properly transition from feudalism.

"Russia was not feudal"

:russ: :dead:

I simply can't with the pseudo-intellectuals on this forum.
 
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