Tech Breh Q&A: How Can We Combat Online Trolls and Hate Speech?

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I don't think IP's should be used in any of this for reasons which I explain here:

IP banning takes places on "slices" of allocated pools addresses that are assigned to an ISP.

What you're suggesting is still a horrible idea overall but carryon.
 

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IP banning takes places on "slices" of allocated pools addresses that are assigned to an ISP.

What you're suggesting is still a horrible idea overall but carryon.

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you don't even understand what I am talking about but good. self-filter and don't come back.
 

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It can't be done without destroying a core tenet (no pun intended) of the internet, relative anonymity.

You can create AI to monitor and act on perceived threats, but it will never be perfect. This is a societal issue, not a tech one.
 

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might it be useful if you could shadow-ban "all" of their accounts across social media? would that be more of a sanction?
might it be useful if users/sites could apriori filter out certain accounts for not being part of a particular system? sort of like how dns/routing works (with routing and caching)?

IMO the answers to these both are yes and yes.
Yeah, I would find it interesting to see 8f ANY tech company outside of Apple would have the balls to do this. Especially when the have to manage the publicity shytstorm as it relates to false positives.
 

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Yeah, I would find it interesting to see 8f ANY tech company outside of Apple would have the balls to do this. Especially when the have to manage the publicity shytstorm as it relates to false positives.

you could partition the allocated IDs from the "ID" hash results by a unique prefix. that's the standard way that is done.

even in block chain ledgers we don't see key clashes and they don't use prefixes.

for example:

"It will take a very, very, very, $\text{very}^{\text{very}}$ long time to find one. For comparison, as of January 2015, Bitcoin was computing 300 quadrillion SHA-256 hashes per second. That's $300 \times 10^{15}$ hashes per second.

Let's say you were trying to perform a collision attack and would "only" need to calculate $2^{128}$ hashes. At the rate Bitcoin is going, it would take them

$2^{128} / (300 \times 10^{15} \cdot 86400 \cdot 365.25) \approx 3.6 \times 10^{13}$ years. In comparison, our universe is only about $13.7 \times 10^9$ years old. Brute-force guessing is not a practical option."

Why haven't any SHA-256 collisions been found yet?

and unlike say blockchain this can have a recovery mechanism built-in and does not involve monetary value / value.

it's interesting to see all the creative ideas from #coli senior systems developers.
 
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I really don't think there's any technical action you could take without people complaining about censorship. :manny:
 

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I really don't think there's any technical action you could take without people complaining about censorship. :manny:

let's delve into "shadow ban" then. you could allow users to determine what they see from other users. that is not censorship, that is choice :ufdup: .

just like the madman chattering in the square in the real world, you might not be able to stop him, but people can ignore or walk away from him. that same principle could carry over to online but rather than having to un-see individually on each platform you "un-see" once for all participating platforms. or you pre-emptively "un-see" ID's who match some criteria.

just because someone is talking (well typing) it doesn't mean that you have to listen (well see it ).. see this thread for examples :ufdup:
 

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It can't be done without destroying a core tenet (no pun intended) of the internet, relative anonymity.

that is not true. by using an un-invertible function you disassociate your generated (unique) ID from your real-world ID.

we have systems out there where people have identities which are not bound to their real world identity. you can make changes or apply sanctions based on their manufactured ID which impact the real person without knowing who the real person is.

for example:

you could impact someone by taking their bitcoin, you could ban then from the blockchain (both by rolling out code) and to do so you do not have to know who they are in the real world. your personage online does not have to be reversible to your personage offline for it to be useful as an identifier and to apply something to the person in real world. you can operate through a blind proxy and still affect them without knowing who the real world person is :ufdup: .

i.e. Bitcoin's Software Has Been Rolled Back Before – Technology Bitcoin News

you are locked into assuming that person -> ID must be reversible, because that is how they work most of the time, but that does not have to be the case.
 

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that is not true. by using an un-invertible function you disassociate your generated (unique) ID from your real-world ID.

we have systems out there where people have identities which are not bound to their real world identity. you can make changes or apply sanctions based on their manufactured ID which impact the real person without knowing who the real person is.

for example:

you could impact someone by taking their bitcoin, you could ban then from the blockchain (both by rolling out code) and to do so you do not have to know who they are in the real world. your personage online does not have to be reversible to your personage offline for it to be useful as an identifier and to apply something to the person in real world. you can operate through a blind proxy and still affect them without knowing who the real world person is :ufdup: .

i.e. Bitcoin's Software Has Been Rolled Back Before – Technology Bitcoin News

you are locked into assuming that person -> ID must be reversible, because that is how they work most of the time, but that does not have to be the case.

A feasible process like that works where punishment and be linked to something of value like bitcoin. How does that apply to a troll farm who has no problem with spawning new identities once they are discovered? What algorithms will be in place to say - hey, this person has done this before.
 
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