Ted Cruz’s nightmare: Obamacare helps people!

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Sen. Ted Cruz and his Heritage Foundation friends are still pushing plans to use either the continuing resolution or the debt ceiling battle to defund Obamacare, and the motivation behind their madness keeps getting clearer: If they don’t repeal it, and fast, Americans are going to wind up liking it.

Already key provisions of the law are popular with voters, even though polls still show more disapprove of the law than approve overall. But Americans like being able to keep their adult children on their plan until they turn 26, they’re happy people with preexisting conditions will be able to get coverage, and they like the preventive care benefits they’re now guaranteed, many without co-pays, by their insurance plans.

Now comes news from the Department of Health and Human Services that roughly half of uninsured Americans will pay less than $100 a month for their insurance, thanks to competitive state exchanges, federal subsidies and Medicaid expansion. A new HHS study finds 6.4 million Americans will pay under $100 a month on the new state-level exchanges, once they’re rolled out, thanks to lower costs as well as federal subsidies.

It should be noted that not every state has set up exchanges yet, so the report extrapolated from federal income data and the cost of plans in the states that have established exchanges.

And while Heritage has focused on Obamacare’s alleged “burden” on young adults – farcically encouraging them to burn their nonexistent “Obamacare cards,” like another generation burned their draft cards (and you know Jim DeMint was a big fan of the antiwar left) – young people will get the most help under the new plan. In fact, Americans aged 18-34 make up 36 percent of those who get subsidies — the largest share of those who will get help under the new plan.

The Kaiser Family Foundation has found that almost half of the uninsured Americans who will have to buy their own plans through the exchanges will be eligible for federal subsidies. Americans will be eligible for gradually declining subsidies if they make up to 400 percent of the poverty level, which is over $90,000 for a family of four.

The new HHS report, by the way, only looks at Americans who will be buying their own insurance. When you add in those who will be newly covered by the expanded Medicaid program – in states whose governors aren’t too boneheaded to accept expansion – that’s another 12.4 million Americans who will pay less than $100 a month for insurance (many of the Medicaid-eligible will pay nothing at all).

So despite Republican claims of soaring insurance costs and “sticker shock” once Americans see their bills under Obamacare, the truth is most of the uninsured will get affordable plans. Oh, and as to fear-mongering about people who already have insurance seeing their rates rise? The Rand Corp. studied that question and found premiums at small companies – the most likely to be affected by Obamacare regulations – are coming down. Workers at firms with fewer than 100 employees will pay almost 6 percent less in 2016 than if the law hadn’t passed.

That’s not to say there aren’t problems. Republicans, who normally aren’t fans of labor unions, are crowing about the AFL-CIO resolution calling Obamacare implementation “highly disruptive” to the insurance security of unionized workers, who may find employers anxious to drop coverage and get their employees insured in the subsidized exchange marketplace instead. There are all kinds of legislative fixes needed to the massive bill, but since the GOP is committed to repealing it, not fixing it, they won’t be made any time soon.

But Ted Cruz and Jim DeMint aren’t worried about the happiness of labor leaders. They’re worried that when Americans understand the new law, they’ll be happy with it.
 

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it helps some people and hurts others... I dont think thats something that was ever in question.

The long term effects of it are what worry me... :lupe:
 

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The government being able to force its citizens to buy anything hurts everyone...

Aside from that the ACA is horrible all the way around. Actual socialized medicine would have been better than what they drafted.

Like car insurance?
 

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The government being able to force its citizens to buy anything hurts everyone...

Aside from that the ACA is horrible all the way around. Actual socialized medicine would have been better than what they drafted.
agreed to a degree. IF this is a stepping block to actual universal coverage/socialized medicine then i'm all for it. If it is just a way to force people to buy shyt then well that's concerning...

I'm concerned with motives right now more than anything. Short term i love it, i think it's great for people, for the country, but what is the end game and where will this eventually take us. For years hospitals have said they have to charge outrageous prices because they get stuck holding the bill on a lot of emergency room visits, so they have to chage 20 bucks for a box of kleenex to those with insurance. Now, with so many more bills actually being paid we should see a drop in hospital charges no? And then subsequently in insurance costs.

I doubt we'll see that though...why?
 

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You arent forced to buy car insurance, unless you want to drive a car. The health insurance has no opt out. You are paying or going to jail. No where near the same thing.

With the exception of cities like NY and San Fran, most Americans have to drive and the ones who don't probably can't afford to buy a car. So it's not that much of a stretch.
 

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agreed to a degree. IF this is a stepping block to actual universal coverage/socialized medicine then i'm all for it. If it is just a way to force people to buy shyt then well that's concerning...

I'm concerned with motives right now more than anything. Short term i love it, i think it's great for people, for the country, but what is the end game and where will this eventually take us. For years hospitals have said they have to charge outrageous prices because they get stuck holding the bill on a lot of emergency room visits, so they have to chage 20 bucks for a box of kleenex to those with insurance. Now, with so many more bills actually being paid we should see a drop in hospital charges no? And then subsequently in insurance costs.

I doubt we'll see that though...why?
Simple supply and demand. More demand for care, less supply for it.

Its that simple but constantly missed.

IMHO hospitals should turn away those who are uninsured and not facing immediate death. :manny:
It would lower cost across the board.





With the exception of cities like NY and San Fran, most Americans have to drive and the ones who don't probably can't afford to buy a car. So it's not that much of a stretch.
Still not the same thing.
If the ACA had an opt out option, it would be infinitely better.
 

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Simple supply and demand. More demand for care, less supply for it.

Its that simple but constantly missed.

IMHO hospitals should turn away those who are uninsured and not facing immediate death. :manny:
It would lower cost across the board.






Still not the same thing.
If the ACA had an opt out option, it would be infinitely better.
Didnt the president already find a way to save 3.7 Trillion dollars friend over the course of years?
 

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Simple supply and demand. More demand for care, less supply for it.

Its that simple but constantly missed.

IMHO hospitals should turn away those who are uninsured and not facing immediate death. :manny:
It would lower cost across the board.






Still not the same thing.
If the ACA had an opt out option, it would be infinitely better.
Everyone has to pay in order for it to work.
 

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Didnt the president already find a way to save 3.7 Trillion dollars friend over the course of years?
Still believing politicians and their promises eh? :ohhh:

Hows that worked out for you in the past?....


Everyone has to pay in order for it to work.

Yes, in theory everyone must pay in, and everyone will benefit...

Theory being the key word there. here are a few random thoughts i had reading your post.


Congress is exempt though...:patrice:

and not everyone is going to be able to pay... but everyone will receive care :patrice:


and we still havent acknowledged the supply and demand issue, that always exist without exception...:patrice:


:usure: you only have to pay for health insurance if you want to have a job.

:beli: I know, the rest of us with jobs pay for them... Awesome right? :dead:
 

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Still believing politicians and their promises eh? :ohhh:

Hows that worked out for you in the past?....


Yes, in theory everyone must pay in, and everyone will benefit...

Theory being the key word there. here are a few random thoughts i had reading your post.

Congress is exempt though...:patrice:

and not everyone is going to be able to pay... but everyone will receive care :patrice:

and we still havent acknowledged the supply and demand issue, that always exist without exception...:patrice:




:beli: I know, the rest of us with jobs pay for them... Awesome right? :dead:
I dont think it was a campaign slogan friend. Its policy. You have to trust their word for something friend. You trust libertarians dont you?
 
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