Ten Commandments monument destroyed day after installation at Arkansas Capitol

[Anwulika]

this is an internal belief structure to yourself though

it sounds to me that if god did not exist and you knew this (hypothetical) you would find no reasons to follow the rules and societal structures present in the bible. And that someone who subscribes to "nothing" which would be a non-believer cant possibly have founded rules and societal structures. This is the key fallacy.

Our morality and beliefs on the world around us are definitely shaped by our life experiences and our betters at points in our life that gave us the guidance to discern right and wrong. The key is realizing everyone goes through this to different degrees depending on their background. Being religious or non-religious in no way should be used to paint people with such broad brush stroke... Especially with what we know people have done in the name of religion throughout history.

And what exactly has shaped your beliefs and morality as a Westerner (assuming you are a Westerner)?

 

[Anwulika]

there's that christian arrogance i know and love :jaymelo: it never fails

You call it arrogance, I call it an acceptance of what's to come. I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

i'll see you in the greeks' version of hell, we can finish our discussion

I'm alright thanks.

 

[Maschine_Man]

yea, I'm not a religious dude by any means but I can't co-sign this shyt.

 

[Alpha Male]

Being religious or non-religious in no way should be used to paint people with such broad brush stroke... Especially with what we know people have done in the name of religion throughout history.

I totally agree, organized religion has been responsible for plenty of evil throughout history.

I am not referring to extremists or holy crusaders. I am talking about the average joe.

If you don't believe in God and/or don't consider yourself to be a God fearing person, that doesn't automatically make you a bad person. But you are probably more selfish by nature and more susceptible to behaving immorally.

 

[Maschine_Man]

I totally agree, organized religion has been responsible for plenty of evil throughout history.

I am not referring to extremists or holy crusaders. I am talking about the average joe.

If you don't believe in God and/or don't consider yourself to be a God fearing person, that doesn't automatically make you a bad person. But you are probably more selfish by nature and more susceptible to behaving immorally.

that's not true at all.

 

[Fenian]

fukking weird story, why the fukk are they wasntimg money building a big granite 10 commandments and why did a guy drive his car into it?


I'd say America is weird about religion but we don't have much room to talk over here tbh.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

I'm the Lord your God and you aren't allowed to have other gods before me (which implies I'm not the only god that exists, but ignore that)

Unconstitutional. Americans can have any God or gods they want.

You're not allowed to make graven images, meaning idols

Unconstitutional. Americans have freedom of speech, including artwork, and can install any art they want on their private property.

Don't call my name in vain

Unconstitutional. Americans can say anything, barring calls for violence that present a clear and present danger.

Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy

Unconstitutional. Americans can do whatever they want on Saturdays. Most of them seem to think Sunday is the Sabbath, too.

Honor your moms and pops

Unconstitutional. You can't be legally compelled to be nice to your parents. It's generally a good idea, but some parents are real a$$holes and shouldn't be honored. The Biblical figure Lot, for example. When a gang of rapists came to his house and demanded the butt cheeks of the men who were staying with him, Lot said "You can't rape my guests. Here, have my daughters instead."

Thou shalt not kill

Unless God tells you to.
Or you're in the military.
Or somebody's breaking into your house and your Republican state has the Castle Doctrine.

Thou shalt not commit adultery

Good advice, but inconsistent with US law.

Thou shalt not steal

Unless you're stealing land from Canaanites.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor

Ask my attorney.

Thou shalt not covet your neighbor's house, wife, slaves, pets, or other property.

Unconstitutional. Coveting is free expression.

I see the Lord thinks wives are property and slavery is within the rules, though.

Ye shall erect these stones on Mount Gerizim.

Well outside US jurisdiction. And Hammurabi already erected stones with laws on them. Hov is a biter in ancient times and modern.






@Anwulika In summary, this is why Ten Commandments monuments keep getting taken down from government areas. It's an establishment of religion that's not allowable by US law. The law is secular, with occasional lip service to ceremonial deism, and some wiggle room for traditional religious civil arbitration.

 

[MMS]

And what exactly has shaped your beliefs and morality as a Westerner (assuming you are a Westerner)?

my upbringing, life experiences, succeeding and failing

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Esau proving he's the devil as usual.

And y'all Israelites that saluted this cracker will burn in the lake of fire with him if y'all don't repent and keep those laws

 

[Turk]

Same people who love the idea of this and had no problem with it would be tripping if it were a monument of sharia law keep religion and state separate

 

[blotter]

if you don't believe you answer to anyone or anything, if you are completely unafraid of 'cosmic balance' and/or 'cosmic justice'... then yes it is safe to say you might lack some humility.

imagine your worldview hinging on fear and dubbing yourself alpha male.. it's an emotion that floods the body with stress hormones, one that can only be taken seriously if there is someone home to listen. Buddy the lights were on before thought set up in our heads.The problem with monotheism in general is it implies separation when the starting point is union. Like Jesus said my yoke(union) is easy, my burden is light - fear is not easy or light.

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

Separation of church and state, salute that man.

 

[the cac mamba]

Unconstitutional. Americans can have any God or gods they want.


Unconstitutional. Americans have freedom of speech, including artwork, and can install any art they want on their private property.


Unconstitutional. Americans can say anything, barring calls for violence that present a clear and present danger.


Unconstitutional. Americans can do whatever they want on Saturdays. Most of them seem to think Sunday is the Sabbath, too.


Unconstitutional. You can't be legally compelled to be nice to your parents. It's generally a good idea, but some parents are real a$$holes and shouldn't be honored. The Biblical figure Lot, for example. When a gang of rapists came to his house and demanded the butt cheeks of the men who were staying with him, Lot said "You can't rape my guests. Here, have my daughters instead."


Unless God tells you to.
Or you're in the military.
Or somebody's breaking into your house and your Republican state has the Castle Doctrine.


Good advice, but inconsistent with US law.


Unless you're stealing land from Canaanites.


Ask my attorney.


Unconstitutional. Coveting is free expression.

I see the Lord thinks wives are property and slavery is within the rules, though.


Well outside US jurisdiction. And Hammurabi already erected stones with laws on them. Hov is a biter in ancient times and modern.






@Anwulika In summary, this is why Ten Commandments monuments keep getting taken down from government areas. It's an establishment of religion that's not allowable by US law. The law is secular, with occasional lip service to ceremonial deism, and some wiggle room for traditional religious civil arbitration.

dish out obscene levels of ether, brehs

 

[the cac mamba]

If you don't believe in God and/or don't consider yourself to be a God fearing person, that doesn't automatically make you a bad person. But you are probably more selfish by nature and more susceptible to behaving immorally.

but you don't believe in 999 out of the thousand gods that have been said to exist; i just dont believe in all 1000. only one more than you

i dont fear zeus, you dont fear zeus. i dont fear anubis, you dont fear anubis. and on and on and on until we hit "i dont fear jesus...you fear jesus"

and you claim that makes you a better person

 

[88m3]

If you're against the separation of church and state I really don't know what to tell you.