The 2016-17 MLB Hot Stove Thread

[tremonthustler1]

Giants signed melancon and they are contenders who had a glaring weakness with their bullpen, it cost them a playoff game.

Yankees had miller,betances and chapman and were in 3rd/4th place so paying 86 million made no sense for a closer when they arent legit contenders shoulda traded for sale or sonny gray something they actually need

By the time the yankees are contenders in a few years and chapmans velocity drops he's gonna be food.

How does Chapman prevent them from trading for a pitcher? And you and I both know the White Sox woulda asked for Gary Sanchez in a Sale deal (or all the guys we just traded for in the Chapman /Miller deals which puts us right back at square one)

Also, you must be crazy if you think the Yankees are gonna be bad for that long. If the Yankees aren't a good team again by 2019 at worst, then most of these prospects they have didn't amount to shyt. Chapman will be 31 by then.

 

[TrillaMonsoon]

It makes sense for the Giants because they are usually contending year after year but the Marlins haven't made the playoffs since they won that WS and I don't know if they are banking on Adam Conley to be their ace but I don't see how they become better than the Mets or Nats in these next few years and the braves and Phillies got nice young rosters.

I suppose the Marlins could consider trading Ozuna or Yelich or something to get pitching but I'd rather spend 80 mil on a starter or split that 80 up between bullpen arms. But if Brett Cecil getting 4 year deals then obviously the bullpen game has changed

Bullpen arms are arguably why the Giants lost in the first round and the Cubs went on to win the World Series.

 

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It makes sense for the Giants because they are usually contending year after year but the Marlins haven't made the playoffs since they won that WS and I don't know if they are banking on Adam Conley to be their ace but I don't see how they become better than the Mets or Nats in these next few years and the braves and Phillies got nice young rosters.

I suppose the Marlins could consider trading Ozuna or Yelich or something to get pitching but I'd rather spend 80 mil on a starter or split that 80 up between bullpen arms. But if Brett Cecil getting 4 year deals then obviously the bullpen game has changed

The marlins have to be buyers at some point. Stanton didn't sign for 300M to be contenders in 6 years.

 

[god shamgod]

How does Chapman prevent them from trading for a pitcher? And you and I both know the White Sox woulda asked for Gary Sanchez in a Sale deal (or all the guys we just traded for in the Chapman /Miller deals which puts us right back at square one)

Also, you must be crazy if you think the Yankees are gonna be bad for that long. If the Yankees aren't a good team again by 2019 at worst, then most of these prospects they have didn't amount to shyt. Chapman will be 31 by then.

He doesn't I'm saying the yankees need that more than a 17 mil a year closer when you're not title contenders what's the point? Those youngins gonna take time to adapt to the bigs that's gonna be a process

I'm talking about being al pennant/world series contenders.That's at least 2 seasons away.

 

[mastermind]

Imma be real, I dont know if Giolito is that good.

I know what his standing is, but watching him last year idk. HIs stuff wasnt overpowering at all.

Lopez may be the keeper out of that deal.

Nats still did overpay, imo.

 

[tremonthustler1]

He doesn't I'm saying the yankees need that more than a 17 mil a year closer when you're not title contenders what's the point? Those youngins gonna take time to adapt to the bigs that's gonna be a process

I'm talking about being al pennant/world series contenders.That's at least 2 seasons away.

Of course they need more. I don't think anyone is printing playoff tickets yet but having the bullpen be a strength will be good for what will be a young staff and for a team who will wanna pick up wins whenever possible. Chapman is not getting in the way of a potential closer in the making the same way Matt Holliday isn't impeding on a younger hitter. If the Yankees are 2 seasons away we'll have a 30-31 year old closer. Now we just need one or two of these pitchers to come through while we look for an established arm and they'll be fine.

 

[Brozay]

Imma be real, I dont know if Giolito is that good.

I know what his standing is, but watching him last year idk. HIs stuff wasnt overpowering at all.

Lopez may be the keeper out of that deal.

Nats still did overpay, imo.

Don Cooper has a fantastic track record, I trust it. Their bets are hedged so much on young pitching I dont see how we don't eat. Even with the inevitably of a couple either not working or being bullpen guys

Rodon
Giolito
Kopech
Fulmer
Lopez
Spencer Adams
Alec Hansen
Dunning

and bullpen arms like Zach Burdi, Danish, Victor Diaz

We still haven't even moved Quintana could keep him and have him in the mix

Im very excited. If they can turn out some nice positional prospects for Robertson, Abreu, Nate Jones, and maybe Quintana

 

[Stinky Diver]

Pitching 2 innings over Tampa



He ain't matter.

Finished the season 48 for 48(including postseason)...He was absolutely filthy that year and was extremely important.

 

[mastermind]

Don Cooper has a fantastic track record, I trust it. Their bets are hedged so much on young pitching I dont see how we don't eat. Even with the inevitably of a couple either not working or being bullpen guys

Rodon
Giolito
Kopech
Fulmer
Lopez
Spencer Adams
Alec Hansen
Dunning

and bullpen arms like Zach Burdi, Danish, Victor Diaz

We still haven't even moved Quintana could keep him and have him in the mix

Im very excited. If they can turn out some nice positional prospects for Robertson, Abreu, Nate Jones, and maybe Quintana

Rizzo gets rid of pitching prospects if he dont rate them, and it rarely comes back to bite him. Thats why he has so many pitching prospects.

 

[Brozay]

Rizzo gets rid of pitching prospects if he dont rate them, and it rarely comes back to bite him. Thats why he has so many pitching prospects.

I don't think this means he doesn't rate them. I could buy them being down on Giolito, but Lopez has trended upwards and Dunning was a 1st round pick just last year, doubtful they soured that quickly. I think he thinks he just got a 6 WAR OF cost controlled for 5 years and paid the price for it

Eaton is awesome, but his value will drop at CF and while he's very good, he's not GREAT, like not moving the needle heavy. If you had a good CF and and moved Harper to LF this would make more sense, allowing Eaton to continue in RF

I'm guessing Giolitos dip in velocity is mechanic related, he's 22, very doubtful he's lost any heat. This is what Don Cooper does best

Its possible he came up a year early, I'm just not buying he went from unquestioned best pitching prospect in baseball to bust because of 20 major leagle innings

 

[mastermind]

I don't think this means he doesn't rate them. I could buy them being down on Giolito, but Lopez has trended upwards and Dunning was a 1st round pick just last year, doubtful they soured that quickly. I think he thinks he just got a 6 WAR OF cost controlled for 5 years and paid the price for it

Eaton is awesome, but his value will drop at CF and while he's very good, he's not GREAT, like not moving the needle heavy. If you had a good CF and and moved Harper to LF this would make more sense, allowing Eaton to continue in RF

I'm guessing Giolitos dip in velocity is mechanic related, he's 22, very doubtful he's lost any heat. This is what Don Cooper does best

Its possible he came up a year early, I'm just not buying he went from unquestioned best pitching prospect in baseball to bust because of 20 major leagle innings

I am not saying Giolito is a bust. I am saying he didnt come out and look good last year.

The velocity dip was a big concern. Granted, the Nats changed his delivery last year in order to help preserve his arm and that probably lead to the bad stats.

Lopez may be the guy im concerned about. He may never be a great pitcher but that arm talent has a lot of value.

I do think the Nats gave up way too much for Eaton but he a 6 WAR player. I would rather see Bryce at CF than Eaton if those dip in his numbers between CF and RF is real.

I have a lot of faith in Rizzo when it comes to pitchers. Position players, meh, but he and his team have a good handle on pitchers.

 

[Ron Mexico]

As early as last week, though, whispers of a roadblock to a potential deal began cropping up in local media. “There are rumors,” said Frank Cusumano on his radio show, “that Dexter Fowler does not want to play for Mike Matheny.” Bernie Miklasz expressed a similar thought. Derrick Goold and Ben Hochman spent a good chunk of the latest Best Podcast in Baseball seeming to acknowledge the “grumblings” and things “in the wind” with regard to Fowler and alluding to unspecified “aspects” of the Cardinals “culture” that might not be a fit for certain players. Cusumano implied again this morning that Fowler is reluctant to sign with the Cardinals, albeit this time without mentioning Matheny.

The Matheny-Fowler Rumors Are Seriously Alarming

 

[Ron Mexico]

 

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As early as last week, though, whispers of a roadblock to a potential deal began cropping up in local media. “There are rumors,” said Frank Cusumano on his radio show, “that Dexter Fowler does not want to play for Mike Matheny.” Bernie Miklasz expressed a similar thought. Derrick Goold and Ben Hochman spent a good chunk of the latest Best Podcast in Baseball seeming to acknowledge the “grumblings” and things “in the wind” with regard to Fowler and alluding to unspecified “aspects” of the Cardinals “culture” that might not be a fit for certain players. Cusumano implied again this morning that Fowler is reluctant to sign with the Cardinals, albeit this time without mentioning Matheny.

The Matheny-Fowler Rumors Are Seriously Alarming

Matheny was highly regarded by LaRussa and I'm almost certain LaRussa pushed for him to get that job (Matheny had no manager experience). And we know that LaRussa is on that

 

[Ron Mexico]

Matheny was highly regarded by LaRussa and I'm almost certain LaRussa pushed for him to get that job (Matheny had no manager experience). And we know that LaRussa is on that

The way those racist fans treated Heyward when he came back this season probably had an impact too.

I don't know why any black player would choose to go there if he has options.