The absence of Funk's influence is a big reason for the disconnect between old and new Hip Hop.

[hex]

I'll tell u why.

Because Funk Master Flex who saw the 70's once spoke about how 70's cats was looking at 90's cats as not doing hip hop like how it originally started. But aint no one gonna tell a 90's cat what they were experiencing wasn't real hip hop. Same rule applies to this generation.

The problem with this logic is we've had 20+ years since the 90's to judge it objectively, completely independent of how people (including those 70's cats) originally perceived it. And most people, objectively speaking, would agree 90's hip-hop was an improvement over 70's hip-hop. Including people that were doing it before the 90's.

Fred.

 

[smokeurobinson]

And most people, objectively speaking, would agree 90's hip-hop was an improvement over 70's hip-hop. Including people that were doing it before the 90's.

Fred.

The problem with this logic is that it totally contradicts everything Flex said. So the question then becomes, who do I believe? Flex who was actually there..or you?

I believe Flex. He was actually there, u weren't. Flex is more credible.

 

[Hugs]

Sampling oldies from any genre...

exactly
Cypress Hill was flipping doo-wop

 

[hex]

The problem with this logic is that it totally contradicts everything Flex said. So the question then becomes, who do I believe? Flex who was actually there..or you?

I believe Flex. He was actually there, u weren't. Flex is more credible.

You aren't making any sense breh.

Flex said 70's cats felt like 90's hip-hop was deviating from what hip-hop originally was. Ok cool. I'm saying, nobody in their right mind now would argue 90's hip-hop wasn't an improvement on 70's hip-hop. Because we've had enough time to judge both eras objectively.

You're basically saying let's take the objectivity that 20+ years has given us, and apply that to shyt that came out last week. No thanks.

And Flex has been a trend hopping clown for quite a while so at acting like he's some kinda infallible source of information. I realize you're from NY but let's be real here.

Fred.

 

[smokeurobinson]

You aren't making any sense breh.

Flex said 70's cats felt like 90's hip-hop was deviating from what hip-hop originally was. Ok cool. I'm saying, nobody in their right mind now would argue 90's hip-hop wasn't an improvement on 70's hip-hop. Because we've had enough time to judge both eras objectively.

You're basically saying let's take the objectivity that 20+ years has given us, and apply that to shyt that came out last week. No thanks.

And Flex has been a trend hopping clown for quite a while so at acting like he's some kinda infallible source of information. I realize you're from NY but let's be real here.

Fred.

I am making sense.


You want me to accept you taking a guess on what u say people are thinking about hip hop now compared to the 90's and disregard what Flex said about the mindstate of hip hop heads in the 70's comparing themselves to those in the 90's.

Basically u are saying "Listen to me dont listen to Flex!"


Nope...cant do it. I believe Flex over you.

 

[hex]

I am making sense.


You want me to accept you taking a guess on what u say people are thinking about hip hop now compared to the 90's and disregard what Flex said about the mindstate of hip hop heads in the 70's comparing themselves to those in the 90's.

Basically u are saying "Listen to me dont listen to Flex!"


Nope...cant do it. I believe Flex over you.

Breh....what in the actual fukk are you talking about?

Can someone explain to me what he's trying to say?

I never said now compared to the 90's. You said Flex said 70's rappers thought the 90's deviated from what hip-hop originally was.

Ok cool, that's a valid complaint. Because at the time it was a new and probably scary sound to them. You're trying to draw parallels between that, and us finding this "new" form of hip-hop scary and unrecognizable. I get that.

Again, the problem with your logic is it's been 20+ years since those complaints. And again, objectively speaking, nobody in their right mind would put 70's hip-hop above 90's hip-hop.

Even if you go the contrarian route and claim 70's hip-hop is superior to 90's hip-hop....again, ok cool. That's your opinion. It still makes no sense in the context of this discussion because we don't have the same passage of time to give us objectivity on modern hip-hop.

I guess this is the part where you quote Flex again, so

Fred.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Even if you go the contrarian route and claim 70's hip-hop is superior to 90's hip-hop....again, ok cool. That's your opinion. It still makes no sense in the context of this discussion because we don't have the same passage of time to give us objectivity on modern hip-hop.

I guess this is the part where you quote Flex again, so

Fred.

Actually it does have to do with the discussion....i spoke about why the elders need to fall back and let the kids do them....the same way no one gave a shyt what 70's heads thought when 90's heads were doing them. U came in here on some shyt talking about "why do the elders need to fall back from judging the current era?" bullshyt.

I'll tell u why again since u missed it the 1st time.


No one gave a shyt that The Game didnt know the song Dazz by Brick that Ice Cube sampledwhen they asked on that radio show why he didnt use the No Vaseline sample on 300 bars. 70's heads didnt dismiss Game from R&B for not knowing who made that original song.

Let the kids do them. like we did us when we were kids.

 

[010101]

input/output

inspiration/expression

the music made reflects what the artist takes in

*

 

[tuckgod]

Breh....what in the actual fukk are you talking about?

Can someone explain to me what he's trying to say?

I would, but it looks like you're arguing with a ghost from my browser

 

[O.Red]

I am in my 20s...

Listening to 90s Hip Hop was like a lesson in Black American Music History since I would always look up the samples and find the artists...

These new artists don't care about Black American Music like that...

They care about Hip Hop...and I mean Hip Hop from a very minute and specific time period...like Hip Hop between 2004 to 2008...

I am talking 50 Cent, Wayne, Kanye West, TPain...

Hip Hop Artists that were on the scene in the 90s had shyt from other genres...the grew up with Soul, Disco and Funk


Hip Hop been moving away from sampling to compositions because...producers and artists want all their money...you can't just take shyt these days...

Now there are still samples...I mean the Weeknd's music sample heavy as fukk...

But they are from genres like Alt Rock, New Wave, and shyt like that...

Sometimes they even sample some shyt from a year ago...

Lil Uzi uses a lot of samples...but it ain't Soul and etc...

Drake uses samples a lot still but it's newer RnB...

Sampling is more broad now and sometimes artists might even sample a fukking bassline from a Soul record and build an entire trap beat over it and you don't know that there's even a sample in it...

Nowadays there are producers that make samples for producers to sample lmao...

I think artists that are in Hip Hop and have a soul/funk type vibe...go more so all the way into the genre...

Artists like Goldlink and Anderson Paak...might be more funk/dancey than you know Dr.Dre and Pharrell making Hip Hop with funk influence..

But I think it's cool...

I doubt Hip Hop heads that grew up with shyt like Bambatta and Warp 9 could fukk with NWA or Dr.Dre...it's a whole different vibe...

Just think how jarring to go from this as Hip Hop




To this

This post is facts and I'm gonna use 3 6 Mafia to prove why

Dj Paul said in an interview a few years ago "I feel bad for these kids because me and Juice were sampling shyt like Curtis Mayfield and Will Hutch and they're now just sampling us"

Where it gets interesting is that Paul and Juice also sampled themselves and other Memphis artists. This style of sampling became de facto for hip hop. If you look close you'll see that 3 6 is more influential than Ye in regards to how shyt is sampled these days. It's a lot cheaper to sample the rap you've heard in the last 5 years than have a nikka crate digging

As far as the disconnect with younger black kids and the classics it's tricky and probably indicative of some societal shyt I'm too lazy to type right now

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I'll just leave this here.......

Official - Funk Appreciation Thread

A sample.....



Welcome to MY childhood.​

 

[MartyMcFly]

No lies

 

[SirBiatch]

The problem with this logic is we've had 20+ years since the 90's to judge it objectively, completely independent of how people (including those 70's cats) originally perceived it. And most people, objectively speaking, would agree 90's hip-hop was an improvement over 70's hip-hop. Including people that were doing it before the 90's.

Fred.

The vast majority of Caz's favorite rappers came long after him and were late 80s/90s rappers. And he has zero all-time favorite rappers from the 2000s forward.

People need to stop pretending like the 90s aren't the high point of this hip hop shyt. It just sounds silly to say otherwise.

Breh....what in the actual fukk are you talking about?

Can someone explain to me what he's trying to say?

nah. he's a shytposter. He always goes the tangential weirdo route.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Not really sure what this has to do with anything as De La, by their own admission, was rapping over samples nobody else would use or even think of at the time. So his point still stands.

Fred.

my point was that it wasn't funky so it sounded extra "white" rather than when someone samples zepellin "levee breaks" which sounds like funk (bonham was funk/soul influenced). He said the hiphop world in the 70's and 80's only rocked with soulful (the black definition of soulful) white artists which actually false.

 

[Poitier]

The fact this shyt is stickied is hilarious


Keep pining for the days that are never coming back


Rappers can't hide "soul" behind samples so now the best are back to using their voice as instruments .