The absence of Funk's influence is a big reason for the disconnect between old and new Hip Hop.

[BmoreGorilla]

My pops has an extensive record collection so as a kid in the 80s and a teen in the 90s I came up on the old classics and hip hop at the same time. If we being real Funk is really rock music. White folks took rock music and made it stale

 

[tuckgod]

My pops has an extensive record collection so as a kid in the 80s and a teen in the 90s I came up on the old classics and hip hop at the same time. If we being real Funk is really rock music. White folks took rock music and made it stale

It's all Black music fam, but what we consider Rock music today is missing the GROOVE that made Funk music funky.

Early "Rock & Roll" music was just Jump Blues from the 40s relabeled for white consumers.

Jump blues - Wikipedia

 

[Dead End]

I think this has to do with two things. 1) Sample-based production really overused a lot of stuff to the point where it was and is a lot harder to create anything fresh that someone else didn't already flip, maybe even in the same way another producer would do it, without knowing. 2) It's increasingly difficult and expensive to get samples cleared. There will never be another Bomb Squad. De La Soul's first 4 albums could probably never be made now.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

I always wondered where the new rap generations “trap” sound and production came from? If it didn’t derive from older black music (funk) or even 90s early 2000s rap then where?

A lot of new rap is taking influence from rock indie and punk

Are you unfamiliar with Atlanta and Memphis based producers?

 

[mbewane]

As an outsider (non-American breh growing up in Africa and Europe) it's amazing how much Black music I discovered thanks to HH. Maybe it's less obvious for American brehs since you grow up in that environment so I guess you have easier access to older stuff, but for me it was huge. Like some breh said here, listening to HH used to be a lesson in classic Black American music.

I don't who said it, but the fact seems to be that 90s producers grew up with their parents listening to those older styles. So obviously they would be more influenced by it. I mean when you listen to Rza and Snoop or whoever they always throwing in random names. But fast forward 20 years, the disconnect is there, these kids probably grew up hearing their parents listening to RR lol

Anyways it's much deeper than music too, because HH used to carry the past within those influences (and samples), meaning that one could feel a connection to a longer history. Music in this aspect is much more than entertainment, it really does "carry a message", there's a reason it's been around with a strong social role since forever. Now think about that and think about what it means that today's music has less connection with older music, and put that in parallel with lack of respect for older folks/struggles and/or the loss of the sense of being part of a community.

 

[tuckgod]

Are you unfamiliar with Atlanta and Memphis based producers?

Breh, I purposely ignored that part of his post so this thread won't turn into another trap music origin thread.

There's already enough of those on here.

 

[tuckgod]

As an outsider (non-American breh growing up in Africa and Europe) it's amazing how much Black music I discovered thanks to HH. Maybe it's less obvious for American brehs since you grow up in that environment so I guess you have easier access to older stuff, but for me it was huge. Like some breh said here, listening to HH used to be a lesson in classic Black American music.

I don't who said it, but the fact seems to be that 90s producers grew up with their parents listening to those older styles. So obviously they would be more influenced by it. I mean when you listen to Rza and Snoop or whoever they always throwing in random names. But fast forward 20 years, the disconnect is there, these kids probably grew up hearing their parents listening to RR lol

Anyways it's much deeper than music too, because HH used to carry the past within those influences (and samples), meaning that one could feel a connection to a longer history. Music in this aspect is much more than entertainment, it really does "carry a message", there's a reason it's been around with a strong social role since forever. Now think about that and think about what it means that today's music has less connection with older music, and put that in parallel with lack of respect for older folks/struggles and/or the loss of the sense of being part of a community.

Repped.

 

[mobbinfms]

Dope thread :psalute:
Hip hop was at its peak when it was being made by people who grew up on different genres. Or grew up with hip hop.
Not grew up on hip hop, but with it.

 

[I love Latina women]

My man turned into Master Yoda out here..

 

[CrushedGroove]

In one of Kanye's interviews he talked about using Portishead, Daft Punk and other white artists/groups that we didn't generally listen to. Though it did broaden the sound of hip-hop, these muthafukkas abandoned the sound altogether. Now too many of the beats sound the same.

It's crazy how different regions would flip the same sample and it sounded completely different.

 

[tuckgod]

Dope thread :psalute:
Hip hop was at its peak when it was being made by people who grew up on different genres. Or grew up with hip hop.
Not grew up on hip hop, but with it.

That’s a great point

 

[IllmaticDelta]

there is plenty of funk to be found (/soul/jazz/gospel) in new hiphop but the difference is that it's synthier than olderschool hiphop which was more obviously rooted in acoustic drums and bass which was also the sound to boom bap rap and disco rap. The newer shyt is synthier but based in the same sounds





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[IllmaticDelta]

In one of Kanye's interviews he talked about using Portishead, Daft Punk and other white artists/groups that we didn't generally listen to. Though it did broaden the sound of hip-hop, these muthafukkas abandoned the sound altogether. Now too many of the beats sound the same.

It's crazy how different regions would flip the same sample and it sounded completely different.

portishead (triphop is slowed down funk/boombap at it's core) and daftpunk (disco based house music) themselves are based in the same classic funk/soul/disco music.





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[50CentStan]

My theory is kids born from the late 90s on, were more influenced by the internet than their families/communities musically, and the music being made today is a reflection of that.

This part is so true. I seen my cousins kids the other day, and they into Jake and Logan Paul music basically they cacs with black skin at this point. And this is probably true for a lot of other aa kids growing up today

 

[FlyGuy]

We need the funk

A lot of cats really have no music IQ or any type of database to draw from. People hardly dig for or discover music on a mainstream level.

If it ain't in your YouTube recommended