The absence of Funk's influence is a big reason for the disconnect between old and new Hip Hop.

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the lack of swing in the beat, and melodies, is why music sounds so stiff now.

I didn't even think about it, until you posted this video!

When you add swing to the music it gives the music a more real feel.

Its the equivalent of dancing between blacks, and whites. When we dance it isn't exactly in & out, it has a smoothness to it. When a lot of whites dance, they try to catch the beat exactly. Its like this joke Dave chappelle had on his show. The white guy is counting his steps in his head, instead of grooving to the beat. I wish I can find that skit on his show, but it was funny as shyt!:laff:

peep these





white people clapping way off beat so mahalia had to teach them:russ:

 

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I noticed Joey Bad Ass and Smoke DZA sampled Guess Who's Back and Lucci sampled Cam/Ye Down and Out just browsing thru Tidal and that's dope...but that's rap sampling rap... But it's also ill cuz that'll prolly be the formula we see from now on vs the older rappers tapping into diff genres.
I'm starting to see that more and more. I heard that Lucci track on his new album, I know he was a big Dipset fan growing up.

Dave East sampling Anything/Hard Knock Life...


NBA YoungBoy sampling Tha Block is Hot...


A-Boogie sampling Always On Time...


Kodak Black sampling Prostitute Flange...


G-Herbo sampling DJ Enuff Freestyle...
 

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it was only natural that as more swagless rhythmless white people got into hip hop....that the music would get much less groovy. this slow ass, non rhythmic bullshyt we get today is what cacs can dance to. peckerwoods have no fukkin clue what to do with 95 BPM
White people have been into hip hop since it moved into Manhattan in the late 70s and early 80s.

Unless you’re taking about producers?
 

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I'm starting to see that more and more. I heard that Lucci track on his new album, I know he was a big Dipset fan growing up.

Dave East sampling Anything/Hard Knock Life...


NBA YoungBoy sampling Tha Block is Hot...


A-Boogie sampling Always On Time...


Kodak Black sampling Prostitute Flange...


G-Herbo sampling DJ Enuff Freestyle...

Damn Breh I really appreciate this post... I lurk more than I reply these days cuz it's so much mindless fukkery in the booth but this thread was dope af, and like I said this is a conversation I've had on several occasions...

Ppreciate ur reply again tho and link some more if u can think of em... DJ ENUFF Free is MY shyt lol so Breh get a dap and Xtra cool points from me for even going there with it.
 
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As an artist and participant who does many styles...that 808/click in shyt is THE ABSOLUTE EASIEST.
So is: Finding the key of your beat, plugging that into autotune, putting a phaser on your vst rack, and half-spit-singing bars over it.
It's WILD EASY.
When the kids who are into music "try to bar out" it's decent...but you can tell they wouldn't be able to keep it up.
As far as funk, that's still alive in go-go, west coast music, and the "real hip hop" southerners tend to use bluesy-funk type samples in their material.
The keyboard vst babies...more punk-metal-emo. They're so far removed from vinyl warmth and a "pocket bounce"...It's not bad, but it's not "ON THE ONE:ohlawd:"
 

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I got it: hip hop is missing HORNS nowadays.

It's the reason I go back to MJ, James Brown, Curtis, Marvin, Sly, Parliament, Kool & the Gang, Commodores, Earth/Wind/Fire all the fukking time.

As I mature, I realize how fukking profound a well placed horn arrangement is. And I continue to search for music that's as wavy as that. :banderas:

I was talking about this with my dawg the other week.
We was bumpin' "Super Freak", and I asked him "when's the last time you heard a sax solo in a song?"
And we had to think about it for a minute...
 

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Yeah, I think breh may have been saying that there are a lot of white producers now making those trap beats? That doesn't seem right to me, but I'm not really up on trap music like that :yeshrug:
If he's making the point that there was a large influx of white fans in the past few years then :mjlol:
I don't even know how you could quantify something like that...but I've seen videos of huge white crowds at the Fresh Fest in Long Island in the 80s :hubie:
and I could post the rapture video here...but I won't :hubie:
And you have a point about some of the 80s producers
Stimulated Dummies
Tony D
Sam Sever
 

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as far as production, I think people relying on sequencers for their rhythm has taken away some of the 'swing' from actually tapping out beats
 

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As an artist and participant who does many styles...that 808/click in shyt is THE ABSOLUTE EASIEST.
So is: Finding the key of your beat, plugging that into autotune, putting a phaser on your vst rack, and half-spit-singing bars over it.
It's WILD EASY.
When the kids who are into music "try to bar out" it's decent...but you can tell they wouldn't be able to keep it up.
As far as funk, that's still alive in go-go, west coast music, and the "real hip hop" southerners tend to use bluesy-funk type samples in their material.
The keyboard vst babies...more punk-metal-emo. They're so far removed from vinyl warmth and a "pocket bounce"...It's not bad, but it's not "ON THE ONE:ohlawd:"

Repped.
 
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