The AFRICAN ETHIOPIAN roots of Islam

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Interesting theory I stumbled upon. This is just a preview

Buckle up. This will be good. Posting more links in here soon

 

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From what I've heard, the 1st Muslim nation is Ethiopia and without Ethiopia there would be no Islam.

 

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Bilal Ibn Rhabah, who started the Koran. is an Orthodox Catholic. The original Arabians are a melanin rich people autocthonous to Arabia, Alkebulan.

 

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Bilal was Ethiopian, the first Hijra was to Ethiopia, and both countries are super close to each other by distance so there’s been cultural exchange for years. The way Orthodox prayers are done in Ethiopia/Eritrea involved prostration very similar to what you see in Islam. That’s the only form of Christianity that blends with Judaism and Islam somewhat.

 

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Bilal was Ethiopian, the first Hijra was to Ethiopia, and both countries are super close to each other by distance so there’s been cultural exchange for years. The way Orthodox prayers are done in Ethiopia/Eritrea involved prostration very similar to what you see in Islam. That’s the only form of Christianity that blends with Judaism and Islam somewhat.

The Ethiopian Church is Orthodox Catholic. While the Coptic Christian Church is in Egypt. Iesus Christos can be observed during the diurnal shift.

 

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The Ethiopian Church is Orthodox Catholic. While the Coptic Christian Church is in Egypt. Iesus Christos can be observed during the diurnal shift.

It’s not a Catholic Church breh

 

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I’m about to drop some stuff in this thread soon before y’all derail it with another topic

 

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https://www.rct.uk/collection/1005084/arbatu-wangel-arebaaetu-wanegeele-the-four-gospels

So brehs,

Today I found out that the Ethiopians refer to the “gospels” as the “WANGEL” Which when pronounced sounds eerily similar to “INJEEL” what Muslims today understand as the Quran reference to the gospels.

The strange thing is the fact that “Injeel” isn’t an Arabic or Greek word. And doesn’t really make sense to why it’s used in the Quran which boasts being a “Pure Arabic sent book” for Arabs.

But it gets deeper.

Could Ethiopian Christians pre ISLAM be an influence on the future Quran that had yet to be written

we know Ethiopia being one of the oldest Christian countries had to have the 4 Gospels in their possession in GEEZ and maybe shared it with Arabs (when they conquered Yemen (southern Arabia today)

And we also know the EARLIEST proto “Muslims” or “believers” lead by a guy known as Muhammad took refuge in Ethiopia amongst their Christians.

COINCIDENCE?

 

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Get your popcorn ready

 

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Get your popcorn ready

Got a light skin friend look “Prophet Mohammad”…. Got a dark skin friend look like “Prophet Mohammad”

Anyone watch the video yet? @MMS @Koichos

 

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@Koichos one of my thoughts while watching the video was:

And I don’t wanna spoil it if you haven’t watch yet BUT….

If an ETHIOPIAN (OR YEMENI) JEW was powerful enough to conquer Arabia and start a kingdom that even reached Jerusalem, would it be out of line for SOME Jews to look at him as a potential MESSIAH figure?

Or would it be out of the ordinary for Jews to give him a title such as “Muhammad” or “King”

How does this even fit into Jewish prophecy?

Because in another debate I was watching a MUSLIM claimed God promised a kingdom to Arabs which he claimed was a prophecy for the ISLAMIC Muhammad and the Arab empires which took over after the rise and creation of Islam after the 7th century


HOWEVER, the Cristian refuted that claim by saying the ARAB EMPIRE God promised was actually fulfilled by THE ETHIOPIAN RULE AND KINGDOM IN YEMEN by Christians (and Jews) centuries earlier

Of course Muslims and Islam would come to take over Yemen and the rest of Arabia but ETHIOPIANS (who are Semitic people) was 1st to conquer PAGAN Arabia and bring Christianity/Judasim to the region

 

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@Koichos one of my thoughts while watching the video was:

And I don’t wanna spoil it if you haven’t watch yet BUT….

If an ETHIOPIAN (OR YEMENI) JEW was powerful enough to conquer Arabia and start a kingdom that even reached Jerusalem, would it be out of line for SOME Jews to look at him as a potential MESSIAH figure?

The country a person is from does not preclude messiahship; the only limitation He ever imposed is that he must be a direct descendant of David through his son Sh'lοmοh.

Or would it be out of the ordinary for Jews to give him a title such as “Muhammad” or “King”

Yes, because ‘Muħammad’ is an Arabic (not Hebrew) proper noun (not honorific) which has nothing whatever to do with being a messiah.

How does this even fit into Jewish prophecy?

How does what fit into Jewish prophecy?

 

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The country a person is from does not preclude messiahship; the only limitation He ever imposed is that he must be a direct descendant of David through his son Sh'lοmοh.


Yes, because ‘Muħammad’ is an Arabic (not Hebrew) proper noun (not honorific) which has nothing whatever to do with being a messiah.


How does what fit into Jewish prophecy?

I thought the Ethiopian Queen had a kid with Solomon

Explain to me how Ethiopians in Israel claim ancient Israel lineage again because maybe Im confused

And obviously it was the mhmd version of Muhammad that was being used

Same term which originated from Song of Solomon

Of course I know the name “Muhammad” came later and was popularized by Islam

But we know the original meaning

But think about, it’s the region and people in it which characterizes someone or thing as Arab

The prophecy is some common Muslim talking point from Isaiah or some Torah book

I can’t remember but I’ll find it (it’s irrelevant to me however)

 

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I thought the Ethiopian Queen had a kid with Solomon

Explain to me how Ethiopians in Israel claim ancient Israel lineage again because maybe Im confused

And obviously it was the mhmd version of Muhammad that was being used

Same term which originated from Song of Solomon

Of course I know the name “Muhammad” came later and was popularized by Islam

But we know the original meaning

But think about, it’s the region and people in it which characterizes someone or thing as Arab

The prophecy is some common Muslim talking point from Isaiah or some Torah book

I can’t remember but I’ll find it (it’s irrelevant to me however)

مُحَمَّد Muħammad is just محمد mħmd (spelled mim, ħaa, mim, daal) with vowel diacritics. The root is حمد (ħaa, mim, daal), cognate with Hebrew חמד (ħet, mem, dalet).

מַחֲמַדִּים maħamaddim (see Shir ha-Shirim 5:16) is a plural form of the common noun מַחְמָד maħmad, derived from root חמד. It is not the same word as مُحَمَّد Muħammad.

The prophecy is some common Muslim talking point from Isaiah or some Torah book

I can’t remember but I’ll find it (it’s irrelevant to me however)

Yes, I’m familiar. Y'sha`yahu 42:1.

הֵ֚ן עַבְֿדִּי֙ אֶתְֿמׇךְֿ־בּ֔וֹ
...בְּחִירִ֖י רָֽצְתָֿ֣הֿ נַפְֿשִׁ֑י​

This is My servant, whom I shall sustain;
My chosen [one], in whom my Nature delights...

The claim is that the text does not say אֶתְמׇךְ etmοch (root תמך; infinitive לִתְמֺךְ litmοch, ‘to sustain’) but אֲחְמַדּ Aħmad, a supposed variant in the Kur´an associated with Muħammad, and that the Masοrim intentionally altered the word to conceal the verse’s true meaning: ‘My servant Aħmad [Muhammad], My chosen, whom I cherish’.

But the Masorim only introduced the vowel diacritics (written markings) to the consonantal text to indicate how it was and always had been vocalized, reflecting the ancient pronunciation tradition handed down along with the actual letters of the text. However, our scrolls use no such diacritics, and there the word has always been אתמך not אחמד.

The ‘servant/chosen one’ mentioned throughout Y'sha`yahu’s book is Ya`aḳov/Yisra´el, and the prophet writes as much:

וְאַתָּה֙ יִשְׂרָאֵ֣ל עַבְֿדִּ֔י יַֽעֲקֹ֖בֿ אֲשֶׁ֣ר בְּחַרְתִּ֑יךָֿ זֶ֖רַע אַבְֿרָהָ֥ם אֹֽהֲבִֽֿי׃​

But you, Yisra´el, My servant - Ya`aḳοv whom I chose - My beloved Avraham’s zera`... (41:8)

אַתֶּ֤ם עֵדַֿי֙ נְאֻם־יְיָ֔ וְעַבְֿדִּ֖י אֲשֶׁ֣ר בָּחָ֑רְתִּי לְמַ֣עַן תֵּֽ֠דְֿעוּ וְתַֽֿאֲמִ֨ינוּ לִ֤י וְתָֿבִ֨ינוּ֙ כִּֽי־אֲנִ֣י ה֔וּא לְפָֿנַי֙ לֹא־נ֣וֹצַר אֵ֔ל וְאַֽחֲרַ֖י לֹ֥א יִֽהְיֶֽהֿ׃​

‘You are My witnesses,’ says Adonai, ‘My servant whom I chose...’ [the whole of chapter 43 is addressed explicitly to Yisra´el in its opening verse] (43:10)

וְעַתָּ֥ה שְׁמַ֖ע יַֽעֲקֹ֣בֿ עַבְֿדִּ֑י וְיִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל בָּחַ֥רְתִּי בֽֿוֹ׃​

And now, listen, Ya`aḳοv My servant, Yisra´el whom I chose... (44:1)

אַל־תִּירָא֙ עַבְֿדִּ֣י יַֽעֲקֹ֔בֿ וִֽישֻׁר֖וּן בָּחַ֥רְתִּי בֽֿוֹ׃...​

...Do not be afraid, My servant Ya`aḳοv, Y'shurun [i.e., Yisra´el] whom I chose... (44:2)

מָחִ֤יתִי כָֿעָב֙ פְּשָׁעֶ֔יךָֿ וְכֶֽֿעָנָ֖ן חַטֹּאותֶֿ֑יךָֿ שׁוּבָֿ֥ה אֵלַ֖י כִּ֥י גְֿאַלְתִּֽיךָֿ׃​

Remember these things Ya`aḳοv, Yisra´el: you are My servant; I made you [to be] a servant to Me, Yisra´el... (44:21)

לְמַ֨עַן֙ עַבְֿדִּ֣י יַֽעֲקֹ֔בֿ וְיִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל בְּחִירִ֑י וָֽאֶקְרָ֤א לְךָ֙ בִּשְׁמֶ֔ךָֿ אֲכַֿנְּךָֿ֖ וְלֹ֥א יְדַֿעְתָּֽנִי׃​

For the sake of My servant Ya`aḳοv, Yisra´el My chosen [one]... (45:4)

גָּאַ֥ל יְיָ֖ עַבְֿדּ֥וֹ יַֽעֲקֹֽבֿ׃...​

...Adonai has redeemed His servant, Ya`aḳοv! (48:20)

עַבְֿדִּי־אָ֑תָּה יִשְׂרָאֵ֕ל אֲשֶׁר־בְּךָֿ֖ אֶתְֿפָּאָֽר׃...​

‘...You are My servant, Yisra´el...’ (49:3)

 

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مُحَمَّد Muħammad is just محمد mħmd (spelled mim, ħaa, mim, daal) with vowel diacritics. The root is حمد (ħaa, mim, daal), cognate with Hebrew חמד (ħet, mem, dalet).

מַחֲמַדִּים maħamaddim (see Shir ha-Shirim 5:16) is a plural form of the common noun מַחְמָד maħmad, derived from root חמד. It is not the same word as مُحَمَّد Muħammad.


Yes, I’m familiar. Y'sha`yahu 42:1.

The claim is that the text does not say אֶתְמׇךְ etmοch (root תמך; infinitive לִתְמֺךְ litmοch, ‘to sustain’) but אֲחְמַדּ Aħmad, a supposed variant in the Kur´an associated with Muħammad, and that the Masοrim intentionally altered the word to conceal the verse’s true meaning: ‘My servant Aħmad [Muhammad], My chosen, whom I cherish’.

But the Masorim only introduced the vowel diacritics (written markings) to the consonantal text to indicate how it was and always had been vocalized, reflecting the ancient pronunciation tradition handed down along with the actual letters of the text. However, our scrolls use no such diacritics, and there the word has always been אתמך not אחמד.

The ‘servant/chosen one’ mentioned throughout Y'sha`yahu’s book is Ya`aḳov/Yisra´el, and the prophet writes as much:

Right, you’re making my point.

YOU know this because you’re literate. You know Hebrew and Arabic and have studied Torah. And I assume you know basic Islam teachings

Fringe Jewish communities in the Middle East who are Arabs/Ethiopians/Yemeni can misunderstand and confuse the pronunciation and forget the roots over time and translations

They can also be subject to new theology and alternative interpretations based on the time they lived and the historical events happening

What the guy is saying is that many people took or was given this title mhmd or Muhammad among other religious titles with significance to the Jewish scriptures and they thought they were a religious leader or held some type of significant role or place in history regarding the “end times” or general Bible prophecy

This is just a historical fact that happened. I’m not arguing it’s correct or in line with Jewish teachings

But I’m saying it’s historically accurate and a fact that happened

For the most part Islam was birthed out a lot of misunderstanding and perverting the scriptures out of ignorance.

That’s how a lot of religious movements and cults start

But the roots of Islam are so complicated and complex you need to know multiple religions/languages/cultures and historical events to get to the bottom of it all

The Muslim scholars tried to rewrite history as a fictional novel centered around a mythological “Muhammad” figure and it succeeded in distorting the real truth if not erasing it all together. Maybe by accident. Maybe on purpose.

But all the coincidences are there from many different perspectives.

But up until now I’ve never heard this Ethiopian/ Yemen theory