The argument that Drake "makes good music/is a really good artist" holds ZERO weight & is dead

[Kings County]

i dont give a fukk if he got 90 people writing it
if they getting paid they getting paid if it sound good to me that shyt is lit

 

[Mac Casper]

i dont give a fukk if he got 90 people writing it
if they getting paid they getting paid if it sound good to me that shyt is lit

This guy - "I don't give a fukk if it's a dude or a woman . a mouth is a mouth"

 

[feelosofer]

I used to agree man. Now I'm a part of the "Make good music and I'm happy" crowd. I can't be fighting this fight for the next 40 years of my life. Music has changed, I'm not going to be sour about it. There's nothing I think anybody can do at this point either. Sure there'll be moments of purity here and there, but not enough to make a counter movement to return everything back to it's glory.

What hip-hop used to be:

-No punch-ins. Rappers would flow their whole verse in one take. As a matter of fact, anybody remember the last time they heard the term "breath control?"
-Writtens were never passed on as freestyles unless you were going to be clowned.
-Biting was absolutely not tolerated. Paying "homage?" Nah, that was you being lazy and unoriginal.
-Who you said in you are in your lyrics would be checked. Better not be fake.
-No singing.

Those were boundaries the art used to have.

Art imitates life. Hip-hop is organic and it follows the same rules humans and life abide by.

Meaning small bad routines repeated eventually lead to bad habits.

Little by little those boundaries got stretched, then eventually broke when people started making excuses for them and started to redefine things. Just like somebody would when they're in denial. Even cats who love "pure" hip-hop got in on some of the enjoyment those bad habits have produced, if they're honest with themselves they can see they did. Is it any surprise that ghostwriting became so wildly accepted at this point?

Back to the art: What happens when you take just one puff of a cigarette a day, every day. That'll eventually lead into one cigarette a day, then you eventually become a smoker.

Habits form at a very small level first and are repeated. Even if you do solve your bad habits, you're never the same person either. Hip-hop is no different since it's organic.

This. I have never heard such false outrage over something that happens everyday. Drake has never labeled himself as a real rapper, he was always this sort of counter-culture rapper (relative to the time). His credibility as an artist does take a hit. If this were maybe a decade to more so ago, I would probably take more of a hardline stance but fact of the matter is Drake is an artist of THIS era meant to cater to the 25 and under crowd. Like I said in another thread kids just want to be entertained, and Drake does that, he entertains. The only reason he's doing Sprite commercials with Nas is not because he is at the same level artistically but just that Nas is a hip-hop icon and Drake is the artist du joir of the day. Drakes fans never really hung their hat on his MCing, hell even in the early days that really wasn't the case, he was just the polar opposite of what was hot at the moment.

I sure there are some fans on this site that did a heel turn after hearing these reference tracks but in reality, if it wasn't this, most of the Drake haters would have something discredit him.

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

Breh - Hush has writing credits on all those songs. If he didn't write anything, he wouldn't consistently have writing credits. Now you're seeing facts and denying them.

There's also Kenza Samir - a poet - who helps out from time. She's on No Tellin' one of the best songs on the album. She did "love people and use things not the other way around" on Connect. Probably did "think they lions and tigers, I got hunting and put heads on my.."

Lupe Fiasco started out a gangsta rapper. things change. people change. I;m not saying Palman writes all the songs but his involvement might be more than a line here or there. There's also random writers on there PND, Emile is listed as songwrietr not a producer, Paul Jefferies.

There's this Nickeleus F dude from before.. says he did hook and wrote lyrics Surprise: Drake Has A History Of Using "Ghostwriters" (If You Want To Call Them That)

It's looking more and more like a Kanye effort from a lyrical standpoint - worse at times with the possibility of reference tracks. If Yeezy wasn't involved in production, I couldn't put him on any type of real artistic pedigree.

Theres ghostwriters who dont get the credits because they get paid under the table

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

wrong thread but yo drake is winning fans outchea don't know shyt

 

[JMurder]

I'm trying to figure out the outrage AFTER listening to the reference tracks. The only track that I feel like dude did something that MOST rappers would not do was reuse that 10 Bands verse.... And even THEN I'm sitting here like "that wasn't even my favorite verse from HIM on the track.". Still he committed blasphemy for that verse. Outside of that though? This nikka did what even the most skilled rappers do...

 

[CrimsonTider]

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[2ATMsYouSteppinOrWhat]

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