The average business owner makes around 60k a year.

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Yall make sure you got all your liquid money in order while yall doing all these business write off. My friend has his own business (not an llc) and a few properties (not primary residences) . He applied for a home mortgage a few weeks ago and got denied even though he has good income and great assets. All those write offs won't help you in the credit game
 

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I mispoke. I meant small business owners.

https://www.fundera.com/resources/small-business-revenue-statistics

“86.3% of small business owners make less than $100,000 a year in income”

I made a bit more than 100k too, I’m just throwing that number out there.

You'll never have a concrete number on what a business owner pocket because they're never honest at tax time. Also, depending upon the business, $50k a year maybe satisfactory to the owner.

Again this whole thread and nobody is really talking about what type of businesses they're running..
 

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BlackPearl, income that a rental did not make (i.e empty units) is not a tax deductible expense. You cannot claim that as a loss.
 

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You'll never have a concrete number on what a business owner pocket because they're never honest at tax time. Also, depending upon the business, $50k a year maybe satisfactory to the owner.

Again this whole thread and nobody is really talking about what type of businesses they're running..

There’s a plethora of data available. You can’t reject it because you don’t like the outcome. Type of business doesn’t matter. Income is income.

I’m not even paid that well for my field. Dudes in faang are making top 1% level income being glorified managers. Hell I could do this another 30-40 yrs and make millions, probably from home. Let me see you keep a business running 30-40 years.
 

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Can you give me a citation to the provision of the tax code that permits you to claim a deduction for unoccupied rental property?

I’ve never heard of that, and my preliminary research suggests you are wrong, but I’ll wait to hear what you have to say.

You and @Bubba T are correct. I miss spoke. I edited my more specific answer to reflect that...which is still a good deal IMO.

I don't do real estate. So I can only do general answers but I have a business and have used it on reduce my W2 income to off set taxes.

You can also include depreciation in my specific calculations that would make it ever better but that’s too much work for people who really already have their minds made up for what isn't possible.

There are companies everywhere that make money. How a bunch people can say it doesn't make money is wild to me.
 

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There’s a plethora of data available. You can’t reject it because you don’t like the outcome. Type of business doesn’t matter. Income is income.

I’m not even paid that well for my field. Dudes in faang are making top 1% level income being glorified managers. Hell I could do this another 30-40 yrs and make millions, probably from home. Let me see you keep a business running 30-40 years.


And all of them is incorrect if they're going off of tax filings. Do you even know how they even gathered the data? If they weren't there with the business owner 24/7 they'd never know. Business owners usually go under fcking around with the IRS.

And plenty of businesses where I live been open 30+ years, until black people stopped supporting them and running behind white people.
 

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And all of them is incorrect if they're going off of tax filings. Do you even know how they even gathered the data? If they weren't there with the business owner 24/7 they'd never know. Business owners usually go under fcking around with the IRS.

And plenty of businesses where I live been open 30+ years, until black people stopped supporting them and running behind white people.
lol ok bruh you got it lmfao
 

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If it means that much for you to own your own business then do that but that “work for another man” talk is simpleton shyt that I wish we would let go.

I made more than 85% of small businesses sleeping at home half the year. With investments I’m learning and having the time to actively invest every day I could realistically retire within 10 years. You can’t look down on us for working smart and not hard.
You mistook my point. OP came in here dissing. Talking about how small business owners avg. 60k a year. How they can't even take vacation when they want....

My reply was to that. Saying 60k is avg for a household so how is it not great for a single, business owner... And how is it better to make 60k and have to ask for vacation... While someone working for themselves doesn't have to ask.....

Yes.. TO ME.. one is better than the other IF YOU ARE MAKING THE SAME MONEY. If you are making more, whichever way you do it, that's always going to be the better option
 

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I appreciate this, let me know if you have any links or resources I can use.

I thought I was doing something, deducting part of my housing costs (i have a dedicated room for business), equipment, some furniture, etc. but I have a ways to go.

And you are right, this is the American way. 1099 income is great. I have a friend who is always pulling some of the moves you mentioned. Like we'll go out to eat, he will order a bunch of shyt then claim it's a business lunch. Him and his wife are already well off he doesn't even have to do that, but that's how these rich a$$holes keep stacking as you said.
Here's the easiest way to think about things: An employer in the United States of America MUST provide all the tools necessary, to the employee, to perform that job.

If these companies weren't forced to provide things, they wouldn't. So once you walk in the door, they have to give you the desk, the chair, the computer, the paper, the supplies, the headsets, the toolbox, the electric, the heat, the internet, the parking..... Every day shyt you notice, that's in supply in your office and available to you, the company HAS to provide those things, by law. Therefore the law gives them a break on paying taxes on it, because they are being forced to provide it.


So take any day at work, get out your car, go inside, and notice every thing you use. They can write that off. This is at ANY job... Now, any employee at ANY job, if they are taking personal money to provide work related items, they can write it off. If you have to bring a stack of paper or a pen from home, because paper and pens weren't provided at your job, and that's part of your job... YOU can write it off yourself. I want to enforce the idea that employees are NOT supposed to be paying money for work related items. Flowers on your desk ain't work related. Feel me?

Now, realize that YOUR business, is no different. You can have an LLC and have someone else run it correct? And pay them a salary while you do nothing? There's no law saying you have to be the person who runs your company. So the fact that YOU ARE YOUR EMPLOYEE means your company has to provide ALL THE TOOLS to do your job. Do you have to post on social media? Wouldn't a company hire a social media guy to do that and provide him the tools? Wouldn't they write those off? Things like a phone, a computer, ad money, etc.. Well just because you are the social media guy at your company, doesn't mean you should be paying for this out of your personal account AND paying taxes on it. If you had streaming company wouldn't you hire other people to play the games? Just because you're the one playing the games on your channel, doesn't mean you don't need a ps5, a tv, a state of the art headset... Yea you could provide the team with a ps2, a shytty headset and a 40 inch insignia.... But they can't force you to choose what type of tools to provide, just that you have to provide them...



Again.. Provide yourself with too much, you gonna find yourself broke and your business shut down. Do everything yourself and never delegate to other employees and you will have 100% of the work on your back. Keep doing this over and over and get on the IRS radar when you building shell companies and listing things that have absolutely nothing to do with providing tools for the job.

Don't get it confused. There's bending the tax laws and there's breaking the tax laws. There's writing extra shyt off because your business encompasses that and then there's writing off trips to Greece for your dog walking business.. See a tax professional cause it's there job to find this bullshyt in your business.
 

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I make more than 120k. I have two full time remote jobs. I literally work three hours a day at my first job. I got crazy work life balance and making crazy bank.

I'll take that versus kissing customers funky asses. People can really be annoying when they know you have to do something for them
I'd take 60k working for myself over 120k working for someone else
 

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Unless your wife gets like a $20k return, your math is a bit off. Businesses pay their own taxes. Income tax. Employment taxes if you have employees. Etc.
plus if you are self-employed solo you gotta pay the portion of the taxes an employer would have paid for you it’s like an extra 15% on top of all the other taxes. plus you gotta be meticulous with your financial record keeping which is a second job on its own

it ain’t easy being the boss smh
 
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