The Book is shut on Matt Ryan

[Kenny West]

Mike Vick with Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez, and Roddy White would have shyt on Matt Ryans existence.

He would only glance in julio and roddy's directions a couple times per game before running or dumping it off to Tony G

 

[godkiller]

Not really screens bro. Last season they was running routes out the back field that would literally destroy LB. And rg3 was a trash qb who had more power than the coaches. Shanny was a offensives guru

I remember this mainly cause I saw a lot of they games and I really focused and watch they game vs the broncos a couple times.

it's more than just screens. shanny was really creative w his rbs in the pass game.

sark is a trash oc. so way that should be the #15 offense with those weapons

I saw Sarkisian run screens against LA. Those screens worked. He tried the same against Philly and was shut down.

Shanahan is an above average OC, but his "great" offenses only last 1 year. Shanahan's offense with RG3 worked only 1 season because teams adjusted to the concepts and shut down the most efficient parts. The Redskins sided with their top 10 pick QB in a power struggle between OC, but the fact is that Shanahan's offenses are transient. His offense was likely to regress to the mean after the 2016 season. Ryan himself would regress to his usual self. Ryan is what he is, which is a statuesque pocket passer below the levl of elite pocket passer.

 

[93 til]

I've been a Falcons fan my whole life and was a Vick fanboy in real life (nikkaz can check my post history on AHH IC & WordofSouth My Block forums @tremonthustler1 @Atlrocafella let em know brehs ) but let's keep it real. For as dynamic as he was as a runner and all of his physical skills he wasn't a good passer and wasn't a patient or disciplined passer either

nikkaz on they Madden/fantasy shyt thinking you just insert a player or two and the QB just all of a sudden becomes an elite passer overnight

Who is saying Vick was an elite passer? I'm comparing the receivers they both worked with.

You don't think a good WR can improve a QB? Look at Philly when they got TO. McNabb was getting by on his own playmaking ability. They get TO and their offense exploded. McNabb had his best season when he finally got a great receiver to throw to. Look at Goff now that the Rams improved their corps (Sean McVay deserves credit too). OBJ and AB have been bailing out Eli and Big Ben for years now.

Forget comparing Vick vs Ryan. Matt Ryan has had weapons his ENTIRE career and all he has is stats, not success. He's underachieved.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

I saw Sarkisian run screens against LA. Those screens worked. He tried the same against Philly and was shut down.

Shanahan is an above average OC, but his "great" offenses only last 1 year. Shanahan's offense with RG3 worked only 1 season because teams adjusted to the concepts and shut down the most efficient parts. The Redskins sided with their top 10 pick QB in a power struggle between OC, but the fact is that Shanahan's offenses are transient. His offense was likely to regress to the mean after the 2016 season. Ryan himself would regress to his usual self. Ryan is what he is, which is a statuesque pocket passer below the levl of elite pocket passer.

We not fukking talking bout screen u dweed. We talking bout rb running routes(what freeman and Coleman is great at) out the back field.

Shannahan creates a brand new offense for rg3 that would only be good for one year. The next year rg3 rushes hisself back cause he was scared of cousins taking him spot and he and his pops demanded they rebuild the offense cause he wanted to be like Peyton Manning(a pocket passer) and he fukking he fukking sucked at It, nikka couldn’t even take snaps under center and never learned to do It. Be in the zone run offense and not be able to take snaps under center brehs

He does to ATL and turns them into the best offense in the league. Now he has jimmy looking great.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Who is saying Vick was an elite passer? I'm comparing the receivers they both worked with.

You don't think a good WR can improve a QB? Look at Philly when they got TO. McNabb was getting by on his own playmaking ability. They get TO and their offense exploded. McNabb had his best season when he finally got a great receiver to throw to. Look at Goff now that the Rams improved their corps (Sean McVay deserves credit too). OBJ and AB have been bailing out Eli and Big Ben for years now.

Forget comparing Vick vs Ryan. Matt Ryan has had weapons his ENTIRE career and all he has is stats, not success. He's underachieved.

Mcnabb was 100x the passer Vick was, let’s not even go there. All those QBs showed potential to be pocket passers, Vick never did to he got to philly and actually studied and focused

 

[godkiller]

We not fukking talking bout screen u dweed. We talking bout rb running routes(what freeman and Coleman is great at) out the back field.

Shannahan creates a brand new offense for rg3 that would only be good for one year. The next year rg3 rushes hisself back cause he was scared of cousins taking him spot and he and his pops demanded they rebuild the offense cause he wanted to be like Peyton Manning(a pocket passer) and he fukking he fukking sucked at It, nikka couldn’t even take snaps under center and never learned to do It. Be in the zone run offense and not be able to take snaps under center brehs

He does to ATL and turns them into the best offense in the league. Now he has jimmy looking great.

Shanahan played Cousins, who isn't a running threat and a similar passer to Ryan, in the same scheme. The offense sputtered. The difference between Ryan's production this year and last year isn't RB routes. It's big plays that came from Shanahan's play design, which DCs dissect over the summer and tend to neuter the following season. Garrapollo isn't great because of Shanahan. Garrapollo was putting up amazing numbers in every Pats' game.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Shanahan played Cousins, who isn't a running threat and a similar passer to Ryan, in the same scheme and the offense sputtered. The difference between Ryan's production this year and last year isn't RB routes. It's big plays that came from Shanahan's play design, which DCs dissect over the summer and tend to neuter the following season. Garrapollo isn't great because of Shanahan. Garrapollo was putting up amazing numbers in every Pats' game.

I’m done with u. U sound stupid as shyt. Rg3 fukking trash

 

[staticshock]

Black folks in general act like Vick retired with 500 TDs and 8 rings

its not all about stats. its about impact on the game and culture.
Vick and AI will always be all time greats in the black community. If you not a fan of those two you're a c00n or cac

 

[The M.I.C.]

Mike Vick with Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez, and Roddy White would have shyt on Matt Ryans existence.

This.

 

[93 til]

Mcnabb was 100x the passer Vick was, let’s not even go there. All those QBs showed potential to be pocket passers, Vick never did to he got to philly and actually studied and focused

He did have potential as a thrower. Did you not see his arm? He had a fukkin cannon, he was just wildly inaccurate. He had his days tho. If the potential wasn't there, he woudnt have went to Philly and improved the way he did. There was no emphasis on him improving as a passer in Atlanta because Dan Reeves told him to stay the way he was from day 1

 

[AVXL]

Who is saying Vick was an elite passer? I'm comparing the receivers they both worked with.

You don't think a good WR can improve a QB? Look at Philly when they got TO. McNabb was getting by on his own playmaking ability. They get TO and their offense exploded. McNabb had his best season when he finally got a great receiver to throw to. Look at Goff now that the Rams improved their corps (Sean McVay deserves credit too). OBJ and AB have been bailing out Eli and Big Ben for years now.

Forget comparing Vick vs Ryan. Matt Ryan has had weapons his ENTIRE career and all he has is stats, not success. He's underachieved.

Great players can help. What I'm telling you is that it takes more than great players for other players around them to improve. Vick as a passer more than likely wouldn't have taken full advantage of the talents of Julio and Tony Gonzalez because Vick was more inclined to run than pass. I also doubt that a smallish, injury prone Mike Vick would've held up long enough to take full advantage of those weapons. He only played 1 full season in his career because he was running around & getting hit all the time. I think what you're doing is applying fantasy and Madden fanboy theories and what I'm telling you is that based on Vick's history the presence of Julio and Tony Gonzalez wouldn't have had the impact you think it would have

As for Matt how has he underachieved? He's had a ton of personal and team success. The only thing he hasn't accomplished is winning a Super Bowl, he's literally done everything else you can do in this game. So if him not winning a Super Bowl is underachieving then 90% of the QBs in the league have underachieved

 

[Ineedmoney504]

He did have potential as a thrower. Did you not see his arm? He had a fukkin cannon, he was just wildly inaccurate. He had his days tho. If the potential wasn't there, he woudnt have went to Philly and improved the way he did. There was no emphasis on him improving as a passer in Atlanta because Dan Reeves told him to stay the way he was from day 1

Having a strong arm means nothin man. Jamarcus Russell had probably the strongest arm, Ryan leaf had a cannon also

Peyton, brees or Brady can’t compete with them on arm strength, but they all better qbs.

Boy said a cannon

 

[93 til]

Great players can help. What I'm telling you is that it takes more than great players for other players around them to improve. Vick as a passer more than likely wouldn't have taken full advantage of the talents of Julio and Tony Gonzalez because Vick was more inclined to run than pass. I also doubt that a smallish, injury prone Mike Vick would've held up long enough to take full advantage of those weapons. He only played 1 full season in his career because he was running around & getting hit all the time. I think what you're doing is applying fantasy and Madden fanboy theories and what I'm telling you is that based on Vick's history the presence of Julio and Tony Gonzalez wouldn't have had the impact you think it would have

As for Matt how has he underachieved? He's had a ton of personal and team success. The only thing he hasn't accomplished is winning a Super Bowl, he's literally done everything else you can do in this game. So if him not winning a Super Bowl is underachieving then 90% of the QBs in the league have underachieved

agree to disagree. I think Vick got a raw deal playing with Atlanta. Could he have improved as a passer and overall QB? Absolutely but he wasn't given much to work with compared to Ryan.

I guess my issue with Ryan is 2016 should be the standard for him instead of an analomy.

 

[93 til]

Having a strong arm means nothin man. Jamarcus Russell had probably the strongest arm, Ryan leaf had a cannon also

Peyton, brees or Brady can’t compete with them on arm strength, but they all better qbs.

Boy said a cannon

You really comparing Vick to those busts? You said Vick had no potential as a passer. He did and had a strong arm that couldve been deadly if he ever put everything together. If he never had potential as a passer he wouldn't have developed the way he did under Andy Reid in Philly.

Someone with no potential as a passer is Tebow

 

[Ineedmoney504]

You really comparing Vick to those busts? You said Vick had no potential as a passer. He did and had a strong arm that couldve been deadly if he ever put everything together. If he never had potential as a passer he wouldn't have developed the way he did under Andy Reid in Philly.

Someone with no potential as a passer is Tebow

Russell is Vick if he had speed. Vick lived off speed til philly. If russel has speed he might have last that long in the league. Russell had a stronger arm than Vick, but had no speed and put no time in.