The Breakfast Club: Cory Booker On 2020 Presidential Run, Big Pharma, Domestic Agenda

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Baby bonds are not reparations. I do not listen to Tariq so that point is irrelevant. Booker refuses to specifically address DOS, despite us being specifically targeted to be a permanent underclass in America via policies & lack of government protection.

We are no longer entertaining candidates that won’t specifically address our needs. Either the Dems can change for the people that they claim to work for or they can continue losing elections while they wait on us to change for them.
Oh really?

What would reparations look like and how would you know it?
 

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This

He can't be going out in public all "say mang I'm about to do this/that yada yada for all my black Americans out there"

Perfect way to shoot yourself in the foot when running for office

Politicians give specific agendas for immigrants, gays, etc. but they can't do it for blacks? fukk outta here we aren't accepting that shyt anymore if they want our votes
 

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I don't think you listened to what he was saying. He specifically addressed issues that disproportionally affect black Americans and presented solutions that would disproportionally help black Americans.

You guys need to get off of this simplistic mindset of "IF IT DOESN'T SAY FOR BLACKS AND BLACKS ONLY THEN I CAN'T SUPPORT IT".

It's not simplistic. It's like at my job. You need to get an email of someone saying exactly what they want. Because if you don't, months down the line when shyt hits the fan, that person will be the one who's like not me, I didn't say or request that. But if you have that email, you can say, "Nah motherfukker. You said to do it exactly like this." But Booker won't do that because he knows that if he does, the "white working class" will have a bytch fit and go around saying, "You just want to give the blacks free shyt!" We can say say what we're going to do for the gays. We can say what we're going to do for the women. The Jews are lobbying to make it illegal to say anything bad about Israel. And no one says shyt because it's all part of the plan. But mention doing something for blacks and everybody loses their minds!
 

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Here's the uncomfortable truth.

Theres no explicitly whites only political agendas anymore.

And you know this.

So here's the situation we have. For the longest while, black people were excluded LITERALLY and EXPLICITLY from legal recourse on several levels.

Then the 60s happened and all the civil rights laws passed basically for black people ended up also helping every other minority group...because theres no way to pass a "non-racist" law by targeting a race of people. You just can't do it.

So now we're in a situation where theres a growing segment of black voters who feel they were left behind and want black only policy. There are laws and policies that disproportionately affect black voters, but not directly. Even if the laws aren't explicitly targeting black people, they're made to disproportionately target us in negative ways. The problem is that when investigated its hard to pin down where the actual racism is. So when you talk about states rights, big government, voter ID, etc all you're doing is enabling white supremacist talking points but its hard to pin down because theres always plausible deniability. In response to that, white supremacists enact laws that basically hide their intentions.


You need policy thats worded smartly...

Except...you can't legally make black only policy.

And theres no white only policy on the books either.

So in essence, the conscious black community is asking for something they have to know won't ever happen.

You get around this issue by doing the following:

Lets say you want a law that targets poor black people in certain neighborhoods.

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My goal is for this forum to start pushing smarter policy that has a chance of seeing daylight. The time for day dreaming is finished. Its time to grow up and put one foot in front of the other.







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Jive.

Pure jive that the anti-black racism can't be pinpointed. Listen to this for starters.



Other groups get policies or Bills for that specific group and don't have to get some tip-toe around the issue legislation.


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Los Angeles Times - Page unavailable in your region

The bill, whose total price tag is $1.25 billion, passed by a vote of 257 to 156 and now goes to President Reagan, who has already promised to sign it and "close a sad chapter in American history."

The bill provides for the tax-free payments to an estimated 62,000 former internees who are still living.

It acknowledges "the fundamental injustice of the evacuation, relocation, and internment" of the 120,000 men, women and children, mostly West Coast residents of Japanese ancestry, in the months after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in December, 1941, propelling the United States into the war.



Obama Approves $12 Million for Holocaust Survivors, Not One Dime for African-American Reparations


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America Has Compensated Other Groups, But Obama Opposes Reparations for Black People. Why?

America Has Compensated Other Groups, But Obama Opposes Reparations for Black People. Why?

Whites got many different forms of Affirmative Action throughout US history. Homestead Acts, government benefits during the Great depression and post WWII etc.
 

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It's not simplistic. It's like at my job. You need to get an email of someone saying exactly what they want. Because if you don't, months down the line when shyt hits the fan, that person will be the one who's like not me, I didn't say or request that. But if you have that email, you can say, "Nah motherfukker. You said to do it exactly like this." But Booker won't do that because he knows that if he does, the "white working class" will have a bytch fit and go around saying, "You just want to give the blacks free shyt!" We can say say what we're going to do for the gays. We can say what we're going to do for the women. The Jews are lobbying to make it illegal to say anything bad about Israel. And no one says shyt because it's all part of the plan. But mention doing something for blacks and everybody loses their minds!
Your job stacking pallets or collecting shopping carts is not federal law that would be challenged in court and opposed by republicans.

Plus, what you're asking for would have to come from CONGRESS, not the white house. Executive orders are only as useful as the president in the white house.
 

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Jive.

Pure jive that the anti-black racism can't be pinpointed. Listen to this for starters.



Other groups get policies or Bills for that specific group and don't have to get some tip-toe around the issue legislation.


$20,000, Apology Voted for WWII Japanese Internees : Bill Ready for Reagan Signature

Los Angeles Times - Page unavailable in your region

The bill, whose total price tag is $1.25 billion, passed by a vote of 257 to 156 and now goes to President Reagan, who has already promised to sign it and "close a sad chapter in American history."

The bill provides for the tax-free payments to an estimated 62,000 former internees who are still living.

It acknowledges "the fundamental injustice of the evacuation, relocation, and internment" of the 120,000 men, women and children, mostly West Coast residents of Japanese ancestry, in the months after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in December, 1941, propelling the United States into the war.



Obama Approves $12 Million for Holocaust Survivors, Not One Dime for African-American Reparations


Obama Approves $12 Million for Holocaust Survivors, Not One Dime for African-American Reparations | Breaking Brown


America Has Compensated Other Groups, But Obama Opposes Reparations for Black People. Why?

America Has Compensated Other Groups, But Obama Opposes Reparations for Black People. Why?

Whites got many different forms of Affirmative Action throughout US history. Homestead Acts, government benefits during the Great depression and post WWII etc.

The elephant in the room is that those groups had/have political or economic power.
I'm not sure how a group is going to apply pressure on politicians without political power or organized economic power.
 

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Jive.

Pure jive that the anti-black racism can't be pinpointed. Listen to this for starters.



Other groups get policies or Bills for that specific group and don't have to get some tip-toe around the issue legislation.


$20,000, Apology Voted for WWII Japanese Internees : Bill Ready for Reagan Signature

Los Angeles Times - Page unavailable in your region

The bill, whose total price tag is $1.25 billion, passed by a vote of 257 to 156 and now goes to President Reagan, who has already promised to sign it and "close a sad chapter in American history."

The bill provides for the tax-free payments to an estimated 62,000 former internees who are still living.

It acknowledges "the fundamental injustice of the evacuation, relocation, and internment" of the 120,000 men, women and children, mostly West Coast residents of Japanese ancestry, in the months after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in December, 1941, propelling the United States into the war.



Obama Approves $12 Million for Holocaust Survivors, Not One Dime for African-American Reparations


Obama Approves $12 Million for Holocaust Survivors, Not One Dime for African-American Reparations | Breaking Brown


America Has Compensated Other Groups, But Obama Opposes Reparations for Black People. Why?

America Has Compensated Other Groups, But Obama Opposes Reparations for Black People. Why?

Whites got many different forms of Affirmative Action throughout US history. Homestead Acts, government benefits during the Great depression and post WWII etc.


In all fairness, the 1.2 billion and 12 million dollar packages above is peanuts compared to the TRILLIONS owed to black Americans.
 

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Whoever takes a hard stance in support of AADOS will likely need policies specific to other minority groups and something to reel back in the white vote.

I can't see a deep run any other way.

Tough sell.
 

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Whoever takes a hard stance in support of AADOS will likely need policies specific to other minority groups and something to reel back in the white vote.

I can't see a deep run any other way.

Tough sell.
Right.

Show me the politician who is going to sound like Tariq or even Roland...and i'll show you a politician who won't be a politician.
 

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Your job stacking pallets or collecting shopping carts is not federal law that would be challenged in court and opposed by republicans.

Plus, what you're asking for would have to come from CONGRESS, not the white house. Executive orders are only as useful as the president in the white house.

If you’re going to attempt to diss someones job at least know what they do first. It makes the diss more effective.
 

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I mean take it with a grain of salt :manny: . I don't know anything about him, but in order to win the presidency, he can't just speak to Black Americans. Black Americans won't carry him through the DNC and they won't carry him through the Presidency. In today's "bite sized clips" media, if he says the wrong thing, any of his competitors will use that as fodder that he is ONLY going to cater to Black Americans. It's a tough line to tow. If he comes out and says "I have this specific plan for Black Americans" then any "other" subsection of Americans can question why he doesn't have a specific plan for them (but but what about LGBTQ Americans, what about Hispanic Americans, what about White Americans, etc. etc.). Even though he is black, mentioning specific policies that don't blanket ALL Americans becomes a slippery slope opening him up for criticism. I'm with you on the :jbhmm: skepticism, but sometimes we gotta think a little broader. Hilary did the same thing on the BC.

(I get that one lady candidate is running on a platform that directly mentions reparations and how that can refute my argument. The thing about her though is that she is not and has not been elected to public office before. I fully plan on voting for the Democratic out of the primaries though, full disclosure)

He does mention the mass incarceration reform and the baby bonds which - although they aren't black specifically and singularly - they definitely affect black people in a positive way. I would imagine being the second black man running for president is harder than being the first. The "uniqueness" has worn off. He can't rely on a lot of things that Obama was able to. If we want another black man in office, there has to be an understanding both ways. The whole ":pacspit: if he isn't outwardly and singularly pro black" isn't realistic for any candidate. A candidate that has policies that speak so specifically to a minority in a white majority country has zero chance of winning the office.

Your point is noted.

However, ask him if he has a plan for immigrants, LGBTQ, and Israel and watch his whole attitude change.
 
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