Official '24-25 NY Knicks Offseason Thread

[Wargames]

Exactly and he’s making $53 million next year. What contender is trading away key pieces for that contract?

Why are you assuming the Knicks have to trade him to a “contender”. There are multiple teams that would trade a haul for a star that has gone to the conference finals twice when they are either a treadmill or lottery team.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I think the best way forward is just figuring out how to best stagger Brunson and Towns minutes on the court. You can hide one liability defensively on the court. It's really difficult to hide two at the same time.

Even though in reality it'll never happen, theoretically, it would work best with Brunson coming off the bench as a 6th man and he can ISO until comatose, without him having to worry about being a floor general (which he clearly has a demurral to). Start a defensive minded, connector guard who gets KAT, OG and Mikal involved early, and then have a number of defensive pieces coming off the bench to aid Brunson.

 

[Wargames]

I think the best way forward is just figuring out how to best stagger Brunson and Towns minutes on the court. You can hide one liability defensively on the court. It's really difficult to hide two at the same time.

Staggering is a bandaid on a fundamental problem. The defense and depth have to corrected.

 

[ISO]

The Knicks don't have the cap space to pad the bench unless they trade a player or 2.

Also, Thibs should 100% be fired. It's crazy that you've seen Thibs' madness in this postseason and yet still want him to return.

Thibs outcoached Bickerstaff and Mazzula.

The team won 51 games (with players like Brunson and especially Robinson missing lots of times, ranked 5th in offensive rating despite the constant critiques, made the ECF (which is not over yet for the first time in 25 seasons), Thibs ranked highly in the season amongst coaches in shyt like challenge success, the roster is severely flawed/underdeveloped, he also has established a culture and has the unwavering support of the players.

So no he shouldn’t be “100% fired”. He squeezed every last win out of this roster and has taken us to heights not seen in many Knicks fans lifetimes. We weren’t supposed to get past R2.

 

[ISO]

Even though in reality it'll never happen, theoretically, it would work best with Brunson coming off the bench as a 6th man and he can ISO until comatose, without him having to worry about being a floor general (which he clearly has a demurral to). Start a defensive minded, connector guard who gets KAT, OG and Mikal involved early, and then have a number of defensive pieces coming off the bench to aid Brunson.

Hellllll no tf

 

[Wargames]

Even though in reality it'll never happen, theoretically, it would work best with Brunson coming off the bench as a 6th man and he can ISO until comatose, without him having to worry about being a floor general (which he clearly has a demurral to). Start a defensive minded, connector guard who gets KAT, OG and Mikal involved early, and then have a number of defensive pieces coming off the bench to aid Brunson.

This is an insane solution. They got to trade KAT or Brunson and for all the non-basketball reasons KAT is the odd man out, plus his contract will bring more back.

 

[RickyGQ]

Don’t

This FO has consistently made moves to improve and KAT has not meshed well.

You’re seeing two teams with 1 star scorer and a secondary scorer with nba quality get to the finals. Plus Tatum is out and the Celtics are about to burn the roster down. The Brunson/KAT pairing is more of a liability defensively than a weapon offensively.

In your honest opinion, is this the best the offense can be with KAT and Brunson? If the answer is no, I don't see why we shouldn't explore what that could look like. What if a better offense, one that doesn't take as much effort to score in, actually leads to a slightly better defense?

 

[Wargames]

Unless it’s KD, you’re not trading KAT this off season after this series.

Scoring isn’t the issue. Defense and Depth is. Look at our depth compared to everyone else in the conference finals.

 

[Wargames]

In your honest opinion, is this the best the offense can be with KAT and Brunson? If the answer is no, I don't see why we shouldn't explore what that could look like. What if a better offense, one that doesn't take as much effort to score in, actually leads to a slightly better defense?

Offense isn’t the problem bro.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Some might say this season is success because we made da conference finals for the first time in 20 but i disagree.

We had a golden opportunity to atleast make it to the finals against a team that barely beat us last year when we were hurt and we blew it.
They aint even better than us, they are just hungrier and execute better.

Whole different series if we win game 1. Last chance for these guys to show they have what it takes.

 

[RickyGQ]

I disagrees. Kat is a Two time conference finals, and third team all nba. I think they can get a good haul. Especially since they aren’t going to be asking for a Pick haul.

The issue is they have roster holes they got to fix.

No shade, but does that haul look like to you? Genuinely curious what you feel like we can get for KAT cause I don't see it right now. Who is giving up depth to bring in KAT when the CBA is as fukked as it is.

 

[King Static X]

Thibs outcoached Bickerstaff and Mazzula.

The team won 51 games (with players like Brunson and especially Robinson missing lots of times, ranked 5th in offensive rating despite the constant critiques, made the ECF (which is not over yet for the first time in 25 seasons), Thibs ranked highly in the season amongst coaches in shyt like challenge success, the roster is severely flawed/underdeveloped, he also has established a culture and has the unwavering support of the players.

So no he shouldn’t be “100% fired”. He squeezed every last win out of this roster and has taken us to heights not seen in many Knicks fans lifetimes. We weren’t supposed to get past R2.

Once again, I already know that you're a Thibs diehard. I don't care. Thibs needs to be fired.

 

[RickyGQ]

4 in the starting lineup
2 off the bench

Only person that's done it consistently this series is TJ and one game of Tyrese to me. Unless we have different definitions of breaking down a defense. Siakim is beating the fukk out of his matchups for sure but he's not collapsing a defense. Again, I may have the wrong understanding.

 

[ISO]

Once again, I already know that you're a Thibs diehard. I don't care. Thibs needs to be fired.

Ok but it’s not going to solve anything.

You’ll just hire another retread like Mike Malone and get more or less the same results. As the season goes on there will be a new set of complaints many which will actually be the same complaints. We’ll be paying two coaches for no reason.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Hellllll no

You think running it back with the same principles is going to bring any other result?

Brunson can still play relatively the same minutes, but breaking up the time in which he and KAT share the court is going to be beneficial to everyone. The ball moves more and that feeds into the synergy at the other end when Brunson isn't on the floor. Having KAT, Brunson, Mikal and OG on the floor at the same time for the majority of the game doesn't bring out the best versions of themselves. That doesn't mean that lineup should be abandoned, altogether, but staggering them, allowing each player to touch the ball and work themselves into the game is a better strategy.

It'll also help defensively because they can surround them with more defensive-minded pieces.

This is an insane solution. They got to trade KAT or Brunson and for all the non-basketball reasons KAT is the odd man out, plus his contract will bring more back.

Trading KAT or Brunson is the "insane solution". You won't get players better than them, because they're not on offer. You have to make it work with them. Y'all won't get a better core than you have now, so it's all about maximizing them and surrounding them with the appropriate pieces.