Official '24-25 NY Knicks Offseason Thread

[Guvnor]

He’s a massive liability defensively. You can’t have two starting defensive liabilities (Brunson and KAT) and expect to win the chip.

Facts! At least Brunson tends to make up for it with his offense and Kat did as well in Game 3 but they are both defensive liabilities.

 

[VegetasHairline]

What teams are gonna line up to trade for a soon to be 30 year old KAT that's due an extension in a couple seasons?

 

[RickyGQ]

The issue with Donovan and Brunson was they were a defensive liability. Plain and simple and what Mitchell makes would make it impossible to build a real team around him.

Now look at the Cavs with Garland and Mitchell and they keep trying to stagger Mobley and Allen when low key they need to trade one of them.

there isn't a way to get depth without trading KAT. Also Trading KAT probably takes care of the defensive issues. You can hide Brunson and even bench him alone for spurts to shore up the defense. You can’t bench both Brunson and KAT for spurts and I would argue a defensive issue at center is worse than one at PG.

KAT makes so much you could in theory get 3 - 4 quality players for him and still not be a tax team.

Eh, Brunson and Mitchell are about a wash talent-wise. You could give the edge to either, but they're about level. KAT is at least 2 levels better than Garland. If Garland were as good as Tyrese Haliburton and they had the same flame out, you'd be crazy to say you need to trade one.

And again, name me the team that you can trade KAT to for quality depth pieces. I'm not even being a dikk about this, you and I both probably lead the Knicks Coli fanbase in hypotethical trade proposals. Who COULD and WOULD trade for KAT, and what would that return look like? That's not even a dig on KAT, it's more about how hard that trade is going to be to pull off. The teams with pieces that could help us wouldn't do it. And the teams that would take that gamble, wouldn't help us at all.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

What teams are gonna line up to trade for a soon to be 30 year old KAT that's due an extension in a couple seasons?

KAT signed his 4 year extension July 2022, That means he can extend this year on July 4th

 

[Wargames]

Eh, Brunson and Mitchell are about a wash talent-wise. You could give the edge to either, but they're about level. KAT is at least 2 levels better than Garland. If Garland were as good as Tyrese Haliburton and they had the same flame out, you'd be crazy to say you need to trade one.

And again, name me the team that you can trade KAT to for quality depth pieces. I'm not even being a dikk about this, you and I both probably lead the Knicks Coli fanbase in hypotethical trade proposals. Who COULD and WOULD trade for KAT, and what would that return look like?

I don’t want to post detailed trade scenarios cause the season ain’t done but I would say the pelicans would be my bet for a team that would do it with probably a third team taking CJ and sending someone else to the Knicks.

They could have a team of KAT/Zion/Murphy/Murray and still have assets to build around KAT/Zion and Murray/Alvarado if healthy are the PG’s you want around KAT.

They got new management that has ties to the Knicks FO and they won 21 games last semester so they have nothing to lose.

I am pretty sure I can come up with a few more scenarios. KAT is far from an albatross contract.

 

[RickyGQ]

I don’t want to post detailed trade scenarios cause the season ain’t done but I would say the pelicans would be my bet for a team that would do it with probably a third team taking CJ and sending someone else to the Knicks.

They could have a team of KAT/Zion/Murphy/Murray and still have assets to build around KAT/Zion and Murray/Alvarado if healthy are the PG’s you want around KAT.

They got new management that has ties to the Knicks FO and they won 21 games last semester so they have nothing to lose.

I am pretty sure I can come up with a few more scenarios. KAT is far from an albatross contract.

But what are we getting in return? Herbert Jones?

 

[VegetasHairline]

KAT signed his 4 year extension July 2022, That means he can extend this year on July 4th

With that being said, what teams are realistically going to trade for a soon to be 30 year old KAT that's due an extension?

 

[RubioTheCruel]

But what are we getting in return? Herbert Jones?

That's the only thing I can think of. Jones/Brandon Boston/Knicks move McCollum to another team for a different part.

Not sure how that makes them better, TBH. At best a neutral move

 

[RubioTheCruel]

With that being said, what teams are realistically going to trade for a soon to be 30 year old KAT that's due an extension?

I wouldn't but it only takes one dumb GM

 

[Wargames]

But what are we getting in return? Herbert Jones?

Probably Missi and then you get another player from a third team. Low-key they could probably get under the luxury tax and build a package to trade the NTPMLE for DDV or Portis.

Too much money is tied up into KAT

 

[Dreamchaser]

Knicks need to trade Kat for Lebron.

 

[RickyGQ]

Probably Missi and then you get another player from a third team. Low-key they could probably get under the luxury tax and build a package to trade the NTPMLE for DDV or Portis.

Too much money is tied up into KAT

Yea, I'll pass. Looking forward to seeing what else you come up with, though. I'd halfway entertain KD. Obviously, Giannis, if that becomes a thing. But other than that, I'd rather try a coach with a different approach.

 

[Wargames]

Yea, I'll pass. Looking forward to seeing what else you come up with, though. I'd halfway entertain KD. Obviously, Giannis, if that becomes a thing. But other than that, I'd rather try a coach with a different approach.

You guys keep focusing on offensive pieces when the offense isn’t what killed us. No coach is going to be able to hide Brunson and KAT defensively. Saying they need to stagger them going forward is crazy talk cause low-key you can’t stagger them now. Every coach in the league watched this series and knows how to beat the Knicks next playoffs. The only question is do they have the self creation on the roster.

If the politics of it was equal I would say move Brunson, but we know they ain’t moving him so the next option is move KAT. No for KD cause it’s the same scenario but you likely lose the salary cap hold in a season when KD expires.

 

[Dorian Breh]

Nah you can have 2 bad defenders flanked with 3 really good ones. It’s why the Kat - hart minutes work with 3 good defenders with them. Thibs views Josh as non negotiable so now you have 3 bad defenders on the court at the same time.
Probably win the game if you replaced all Josh minutes with delon wright, hilariously enough.

Landry Shamet a good defender now?

Better example is Jokic and Murray both being below average defenders

But the thing is Brunson is nearly Trae Young level bad at defense. He’s not just a bad defender he’s a horrible one.

I do think you can do 2 bad defenders and 3 good ones although it’s better if one of the bad defenders isnt slow footed like Towns.

But I think if Brunson is out there he needs four good defenders to cover for him to even get to a league average defense in aggregate

 

[Wargames]

Landry Shamet a good defender now?

Better example is Jokic and Murray both being below average defenders

But the thing is Brunson is nearly Trae Young level bad at defense. He’s not just a bad defender he’s a horrible one.

I do think you can do 2 bad defenders and 3 good ones although it’s better if one of the bad defenders isnt slow footed like Towns.

But I think if Brunson is out there he needs four good defenders to cover for him to even get to a league average defense in aggregate

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Like who here thinks Towns at Center and Brunson at PG works defensively long term? Because they want to go right back to that and when the shyt hit the fan that is what they went to last game.