Official '24-25 NY Knicks Offseason Thread

[Dorian Breh]

The Wolves Draft-Day Approach Paints An Exciting Picture Of How They Want To Play | Minnesota Timberwolves

If there’s one major takeaway from what President of Basketball Operations Gersson Rosas and the Minnesota Timberwolves did in last week’s NBA draf...

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Read this and consider the team we have. It’s their current offensive system blueprint.

Like who here thinks Towns at Center and Brunson at PG works defensively long term? Because they want to go right back to that and when the shyt hit the fan that is what they went to last game.

Look I’m a fan of KAT as a starting PF who can be the Center for some minutes depending on match ups. I don’t think he “had to go” for Minnesota to be competitive.

I think that can be a #2 offensive option on a competing team.

But you need two things to make that work:
A switchable center who can defend true bigs and keep up with guards
A #1 option who can be league average on defense and facilitate KAT to score off the bounce

Knicks have the first thing only and no eyes on the second.
Wolves didnt have a switchable center

I don’t think KAT (or any #2) is good enough to build around like he needs to be. But I think the Knicks are particularly poorly suited.

 

[RickyGQ]

The Wolves Draft-Day Approach Paints An Exciting Picture Of How They Want To Play | Minnesota Timberwolves

If there’s one major takeaway from what President of Basketball Operations Gersson Rosas and the Minnesota Timberwolves did in last week’s NBA draf...

www.nba.com

Read this and consider the team we have. It’s their current offensive system blueprint.

Like who here thinks Towns at Center and Brunson at PG works defensively long term? Because they want to go right back to that and when the shyt hit the fan that is what they went to last game.

Again, we’re losing to a worse defense. Because we’ve been a below average offense since the all star break.

 

[ikbm]

Landry Shamet a good defender now?

Better example is Jokic and Murray both being below average defenders

But the thing is Brunson is nearly Trae Young level bad at defense. He’s not just a bad defender he’s a horrible one.

I do think you can do 2 bad defenders and 3 good ones although it’s better if one of the bad defenders isnt slow footed like Towns.

But I think if Brunson is out there he needs four good defenders to cover for him to even get to a league average defense in aggregate

Deuce og Mikal Josh Kat lineups have worked all year. It’s not a shamet thing even though hes probably a better defender than Josh at this moment.
The major issue is the lack of point of attack and Mikal has struggled with it all year.
An initial breakdown + Josh being one of the worst off ball defenders in the league creates hosts of issues. Brunson and Kat having to guard in space.
The whole point in benching Josh should be to slot Mikal in that help defense / roamer role while deuce navigates initial screens. Rim protection isn’t our biggest issue. It’s us folding on first actions all year and having miscommunications cause we’re terrified of letting Brunson guard.
Thibs values rebounds more than he values getting great looks offensively or stopping great looks defensively, and now we’re getting exposed by a team that prioritizes great shot quality and early shot clock opportunities.

 

[Wargames]

Look I’m a fan of KAT as a starting PF who can be the Center for some minutes depending on match ups. I don’t think he “had to go” for Minnesota to be competitive.

I think that can be a #2 offensive option on a competing team.

But you need two things to make that work:
A switchable center who can defend true bigs and keep up with guards
A #1 option who can be league average on defense and facilitate KAT to score off the bounce

Knicks have the first thing only and no eyes on the second.
Wolves didnt have a switchable center

I don’t think KAT (or any #2) is good enough to build around like he needs to be. But I think the Knicks are particularly poorly suited.

Based on all the signs they wanted KAT at center. To the point they have been hesitant to play him at PF all season. The wolves didnt trade when Rosas ran it. They begrudgingly did KAT and Mitch and was staggering them too.

It didn’t work and the Knicks would need to move Brunson for someone like Jalen Suggs to make it work.

Which low key the Magic is a team designed to cover Brunson.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

We're not getting a new coach this offseason even if the Knicks get blown out at MSG tomorrow.

We need new minds to assist or guide Thibs, and he has no choice but to become comfortable with a revised approach in some areas.

For example, wasn't Rick Carlisle considered a stubborn, anything but run n gun coach years ago?

That won't matter if he doesn’t listen to them. You don’t think Rick Brunson, Cheeks & the rest of the assistant coaches have been in his ear about certain things that need to be fixed?

How many times have we been up 20+ late in a game, and Rick had to remind Thibs to pull the starters. Their is no need for that type of stubbornness. Like others said, relegate him to another part of the organization where he can be a help, but unless he changes his style (highly unlikely) this team has peaked with Thibs as the head coach.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

And enough of the trading KAT talk. If they move him, that's TWO all NBA big men that Brunson couldn’t play with. At some point Brunson has to adapt his game to mesh well with the rest of the roster.

 

[Wargames]

And enough of the trading KAT talk. If they move him, that's TWO all NBA big men that Brunson couldn’t play with. At some point Brunson has to adapt his game to mesh well with the rest of the roster.

Who’s the other Randle? Brunson was ok with Randle, Randle Is just too inconsistent and wanted the max contract. I fukks with Randle more than most and even I got to admit they were right to not max him. Breh had 6 pt and 4 pt games in the conference finals.

Low-key Randles game worked with Brunson cause both of them would say give me the ball and go for his. They Froze KAT out most of the last game and he never demanded the ball.

Randle and RJ had better chemistry with Brunson cause both of them demanded the ball and got their’s.

 

[Miggs]

We're not getting a new coach this offseason even if the Knicks get blown out at MSG tomorrow.

We need new minds to assist or guide Thibs, and he has no choice but to become comfortable with a revised approach in some areas.

For example, wasn't Rick Carlisle considered a stubborn, anything but run n gun coach years ago?

He adapted to the roster he has....Thibs is a stubborn old mule...You give him the this Pacer team and he'd be running lethargic methodical half court sets...

 

[Miggs]

The issue with Donovan and Brunson was they were a defensive liability. Plain and simple and what Mitchell makes would make it impossible to build a real team around him.

Now look at the Cavs with Garland and Mitchell and they keep trying to stagger Mobley and Allen when low key they need to trade one of them.

there isn't a way to get depth without trading KAT. Also Trading KAT probably takes care of the defensive issues. You can hide Brunson and even bench him alone for spurts to shore up the defense. You can’t bench both Brunson and KAT for spurts and I would argue a defensive issue at center is worse than one at PG.

KAT makes so much you could in theory get 3 - 4 quality players for him and still not be a tax team.

Im not saying trade KAT.
Im saying fire Thibs bring in a coach that plays more to this teams strengths change & the philosophy...be a more point of attack defensively aggressive team and get out and run more,this team is stuck in the mud way too much offensively.No ball movement no player movement...

 

[Wargames]

Im not saying trade KAT.
Im saying fire Thibs bring in a coach that plays more to this teams strengths change & the philosophy...be a more point of attack defensively aggressive team and get out and run more,this team is stuck in the mud way too much offensively.No ball movement no player movement...

Go and watch the Boston series. Thibs was having them do that except running more and we don’t got the line up for that’s the best runners we’re Randle, RJ, DDV, IQ, and Obi. None of them are here.

 

[Miggs]

Go and watch the Boston series. Thibs was having them do that except running more and we don’t got the line up for that’s the best runners we’re Randle, RJ, DDV, IQ, and Obi. None of them are here.

I watched the Boston series...they imploded in the 1st 2 games,this series Indy aint beating themselves and Knicks offense is too slow too stagnant...They rebound the ball and are walking it up too many possessions.

 

[RickyGQ]

He adapted to the roster he has....Thibs is a stubborn old mule...You give him the this Pacer team and he'd be running lethargic methodical half court sets...

Tyrese ISOs

 

[Derek Lee]

Just win one game at a time. The off-season talk is depressing.
It's still fukk Thibs

 

[Wargames]

I watched the Boston series...they imploded in the 1st 2 games,this series Indy aint beating themselves and Knicks offense is too slow too stagnant...They rebound the ball and are walking it up too many possessions.

Bro Boston didnt implode. Boston doesn’t have guys who have the handle to score on the midrange & the Knicks sped up their offense every except the 3rd where either they took a break or got cocky.

This series is game 1 KAT completely shyt the bed defensively. Brunson has struggled with decision making. Plus Indy has mid range guys and the ability to to rest more. In game 4. The Knicks did their normal speed up offense/defense and it worked cause KAT was Killing them. In the last game they froze KAT out and had a large number of turnovers and short shots which makes me think they are tired.

If you’re gonna come in here and talk ball, talk ball. Teams don’t choke two games in a series, they get strangled.

 

[Wargames]

Just win one game at a time. The off-season talk is depressing.
It's still fukk Thibs

Ok….




How is this Thibs fault?