Great interviewS
Amy Goodman/Democracy Now!
And from 2015:
Amy Goodman/Democracy Now!
And from 2015:
The Case Against Joe Biden
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the cac mamba
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hes looking pretty low energy in these appearances
Isaiah Bradley
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Didn't watch the video yet, but those twitter outlines didn't hinder support for past Dem candidates, why should it for Biden? it's funny to see how allies are treated
In 2016 progressives told me in order to win over new voters we should talk positive policy and not talk about why we shouldn't vote for someone else.I haven't heard a case for him yet
Get ready for a a year and some change of progressives saying so and so did this in the past therefore we shouldn't vote for them and moderates saying there's no point in voting for progressives because their initiatives are DOA in congress.
4 more years of conservative rule
GnauzBookOfRhymes
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In 2016 progressives told me in order to win over new voters we should talk positive policy and not talk about why we shouldn't vote for someone else.
Get ready for a a year and some change of progressives saying so and so did this in the past therefore we shouldn't vote for them and moderates saying there's no point in voting for progressives because their initiatives are DOA in congress.
4 more years of conservative rule
Lot of shyt I disagree with when it comes to the left left, but that’s where the energy is. At some point the moderate wing of the party needs to see suck it up and let the other wing of the party take their shot. We’re never going to win running someone who shyts on people in their own party. Not enough David Brooks to win an election. Just need to find the right messenger.
Biden has a long history being in the Senate. Since he's from Delaware, he's had a hand in propping up financial institutions and supporting legislation that has made it harder for middle and working class people.
His comments on busing, the Anita Hill saga, the crime bill... are all fair game.
With that said, if he's the nominee, of course you should vote for him over the orange idiot. But with this Dem primary, as a voter who sees our new Guilded Age, I'm looking for someone looking to do big shid and shake things up to improve our lives. The fact that Warren is running and has been on the right side of history regarding consumer protections in direct throw against Biden should scare the hell out of him.
In 2016 progressives told me in order to win over new voters we should talk positive policy and not talk about why we shouldn't vote for someone else.
Get ready for a a year and some change of progressives saying so and so did this in the past therefore we shouldn't vote for them and moderates saying there's no point in voting for progressives because their initiatives are DOA in congress.
4 more years of conservative rule
Biden has 4 decades of record. A contentious primary does not mean you lose in the general election.
Obama vs. Hillary was the worst primary fight we've probably ever seen and it went into June. Obama won a landslide.
Hell, Trump won in 2016 and upended the GOP. That primary debate was a shid show!!!
Obama v Hillary turned personal but apart from Iraq or Obama needling her on NAFTA they did not have these policy differences. I remember their healthcare debate and it came down to Hillary's plan including a mandate for individuals to purchase insurance and Obama's did not if i recall correctly. The GOP had contentious debate but I also remember when Cruz endorsed Trump he was telling his base that the only reason to do so was Supreme Court justices.For the Democrats not even the Supreme Court was enough to unify them, they still had people justifying not voting Hillary because they thought she would put Merrick Garland types. It is remarkable that similar sentiments of "not a dimes worth of difference" between a centrist and GOP would still be there if Biden won IMO. 2016 did not have any residual undertones of Obama coalition vs Hillary and yet this primary season and even the 2018 still had elements of fighting the 2016 campaign again. Bernie to his credit realizes this and I think that is what was behind him talking about supporters being civil, a lot of bad blood started online and if he is going to be the nominee it is going to include winning over the millions who voted for Clinton in the 2016 primary. Some supporters think it is about turning out people who do not vote but there are a lot more loyal Dem voters to be won over. Biden looked good to some people because he was not Hillary yet policy wise there isn't much distance between the two, I also read some people saying they would have voted for him which to me just meant people mix up policy with personality or they just pretend to vote on policy because it sounds better argument wise.
The issue with Hillary and Biden is that the 1990s 'Third Way' type of politics hasn't aged well. And the base of the party, which you need to turn out, isn't fukking with that anymore.
Biden can win in this environment cause he'll do better in the Midwest and Trump is underwater in the Midwest right now. But yes, you are right in that Obama vs. Hillary wasn't an ideological debate and the 2020 primaries will be fought on ideological grounds.
If a progressive like Warren or Bernie is the nominee, do centrists suddenly say they're staying home? The Dem base would turnout.
In 2016, the Dem base didn't turn out in the Midwest. Black turnout went from 79% in 2012 in Wisconsin to 47% in 2016. THAT'S how you lose to Donald Trump.
Progressives claim they're the solution to winning areas that moderates have struggled due to their strong economic message.
That's yet to be seen.
I merely pointed out the shift in strategy and tone.
But I'm not a fan of Biden nor Bernie for 2020.
Im anti old heads.
The question is who is the "base" I don't think the answer is as clear cut as Progressives think it is, some centrists won primaries and some progressives too. Some states like Ohio seem to be drifting away while Democrats made gains in Orange County California where former GOP suburban voters stay. Some primaries have been moved up and a few states abolished caucuses and some reformed them to not require physical attendance which will shift things for campaigns that rely on grassroots organizing
Still better than Trump 
Lord_Chief_Rocka
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Biden would be awful for everyone not in the 1%