The Catlyn Jenner Moment at ESPY's Tonite will be

[feelosofer]

Rome got picked apart by small groups of barbarians, visigoths, vandals, and huns. Which could be ISIS to he United States- look up moral decay breh.. not saying it is fact but it is a theory that has some evidence.
All I am saying is while these crazy suicide bombers on the other side of the world are sharpening their knives we are busy figuring out ways to pay for sex changes for the military..

Fair points but in general Rome failed to adapt. My points is that moral decay is relative because the average US citizen is more charitable than it has been. Again sex changes are very few, but those who are not happy kill themselves, but me and and you and @Meet The Sniper is having a conversation and that's important too because we can clash ideologically and still get our point across and say peace.

 

[Trece]

Fair points but in general Rome failed to adapt. My points is that moral decay is relative because the average US citizen is more charitable than it has been. Again sex changes are very few, but those who are not happy kill themselves, but me and and you and @Meet The Sniper is having a conversation and that's important too because we can clash ideologically and still get our point across and say peace.

I respect your knowledge breh.. we might disagree on Caitlyn. I think the espys is making this whole thing into a circus. I said this before. I hope Bruce Jenner finds happiness while doing what he is doing. The rest of us should just go away and stop turning this into a sideshow and let dude cook in peace. This exposure cant be good for him/her or whatever you want to call it.

 

[Box Cutta]

"Hey, Doc, shut the fukk up. You don't know shyt"

Power? Its a fukking plan.

shyt is scary when you think about it.

All of them with an anti-black agenda too....

 

[Kenny West]

Here's the thing, I can't change your mind regardless of what I post. Clearly your opinion is set and honestly this wouldn't even be such an issue if Kaitlin/Bruce didn't win an ESPY. which is a made up award from a made up channel that while is shows sports coverage is clearly based on entertainment and pop culture 1st and foremost. I didn't even disagree that the other nominees didn't deserve it more, especially Stuart Scott who I know personally and got to know his family (many moons ago). I was just stating that the outrage was false especially in an award show that prides its self on of the moment dikkriding.

Definitions do change absolutely again, I'm not arguing but sex and gender are changing definitions based on psychological terms and social strata. Again I'm not saying I agree or disagree, merely stating facts. You cannot compare this to slavery, which was historical and inarguable. We can easily trace the documents of such conditions. Even if the history books try to down play slavery it cannot be disproven because there are far too many personal accounts and empirical evidence.

In contrast sexuality and gender norms are still being defined, also again a peer reviewed article has to reviewed by supporters and you have to defend your opinion to detractors as well, obviously those article are a little limited because this is still a relatively new subject and the discussion is still going on as we speak hence the difference in viewpoints. Like I said, I didn't like the all the shine Kaitlin was getting as a transwoman (white privelege) when Laverne Cox did it first and didn't get nearly the shine Kaitlin. More egregious was that Serena Williams a woman did not get regognition for her femininity because of her large frame and physical ability.

I'm not trying to make you accept transgender or transexual but moreso I'm trying to say the conversation right now is evolving and that we are learning about it more and more, fair enough and if not we'll just agree to disagree.

Yes I'll definitely take you up on agreeing to disagree. I guess I'm trying to argue this semantically and you just might not have those type of answers (one of the better responses though) but the problem is no matter who I have this sort of discussion with nobody seems to know. Not the feminists, nor the liberals nor any of the rainbow caped crusaders. Lot's of the feminist and lgbt rhetoric are so easy to poke holes into you can't help but wonder if people are just making this up as they go along.

and the bold is pretty much my point. These aren't being defined, they're being re-defined and re-written. You've got 200k+ years of humanity under the belt with gender and sexuality well defined. but all of a sudden now that we have technology for men to castrate themselves so they can fit into dresses, the meaning of gender has to overhauled. It's not like humans mutated or nature changed itself so why would the definition need to be changed unless it was solely for their benefit to make their condition seem normal? Even if the new definition doesn't make any fukking sense. I just wonder how many more revisions we'll have to make once the next batch of degenerate agendas are on the clock. Sad parent about is future gens wont even question it. People just wanna rebel against nature and reinvent the wheel in the name of progress but it's whatever. Agreeing to disagree.

But if there's anything you should take from this, at least question how masculinity and femininity can be distinguished between each other if the lines are blurred now to suggest they never existed. Think about all the mental gymnastics necessary for these theories to make sense, then think of occams razor.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Because trans people are already a part of our culture whether you embrace that or not. If he identifies as a woman who are you or anybody else to tell him otherwise? And it's funny how nobody in here mentioned the 2 trans kids that were murdered/committed suicide recently...should we be glad they're dead since you don't want them accepted in our society? Think about what you're really saying breh

Bottom line is Bruce Jenner will never really be a woman

 

[Buckeye Fever]

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Your grandkids are gonna look at all this shyt like we view segregation.

 

[BXKingPin82]

Your grandkids are gonna look at all this shyt like we view segregation.

my grandchildren are gonna be wondering why people that look like them are STILL getting murdered by police
by that time some bullshyt like fukking your pets will jump in front of that issue

 

[Schmoove]

New World

ORDER

 

[DjMe]

Remember when courage was standing up and speaking out on behalf of the poor and disenfranchised?

Now courage is walking around in girl clothes telling everyone what you do in the privacy of your own home

Wonder will I get some accolades for admitting I scratch my ass in the middle of the night. Smh.

I have no problem with what Bruce has chosen to do with his body.
If it brings him closer to God, then that is the path he must walk on, and I am not put on Earth to judge his journey--only God can do that.
I DO have a problem with God being removed from our society, however, as THAT action leads to scenarios like this. I'll pray for Bruce, to some degree, because if he knew God and could walk with God, he would know that his body is irrelevant, and the happiness he is trying to buy can only come from the lord.
These scenarios are what all the prophets have warned us of, though, and it's what you must guard against in the coming years.
The negative influences in the universe will always be working equally as hard to lead you from the light--the yang to your yin, the Satan to God. God has been removed from our society and has been replaced by glorification of the flesh as a means to achieve eternal happiness.
Soon we will all be given the chance for eternal life, through machines, on the temporal sphere. Are you ready to deny that "gift", and do you know in your heart that eternal salvation can only be given through the lord? That will be a difficult path for many to walk, particularly when broadcast networks honor those who would seek a different path to salvation as "courageous".
True courage is faith in the lord when others have none.
True courage is listening to God, and following his word only, not that of the media and state, who have removed God in every way possible.
Stay strong brothers, we are God's children, but I fear dark days are ahead.

 

[Real N Quotes]

This is nothing more than demonology and media sorcery

A man dressed as a woman is still a man

A man who has a sex change is still a man

A man who has sex with another man is still a sodomite

 

[feelosofer]

I respect your knowledge breh.. we might disagree on Caitlyn. I think the espys is making this whole thing into a circus. I said this before. I hope Bruce Jenner finds happiness while doing what he is doing. The rest of us should just go away and stop turning this into a sideshow and let dude cook in peace. This exposure cant be good for him/her or whatever you want to call it.

Fair enough and I agree, it's time to let Bruce live and kill the spotlight,

Yes I'll definitely take you up on agreeing to disagree. I guess I'm trying to argue this semantically and you just might not have those type of answers (one of the better responses though) but the problem is no matter who I have this sort of discussion with nobody seems to know. Not the feminists, nor the liberals nor any of the rainbow caped crusaders. Lot's of the feminist and lgbt rhetoric are so easy to poke holes into you can't help but wonder if people are just making this up as they go along.

and the bold is pretty much my point. These aren't being defined, they're being re-defined and re-written. You've got 200k+ years of humanity under the belt with gender and sexuality well defined. but all of a sudden now that we have technology for men to castrate themselves so they can fit into dresses, the meaning of gender has to overhauled. It's not like humans mutated or nature changed itself so why would the definition need to be changed unless it was solely for their benefit to make their condition seem normal? Even if the new definition doesn't make any fukking sense. I just wonder how many more revisions we'll have to make once the next batch of degenerate agendas are on the clock. Sad parent about is future gens wont even question it. People just wanna rebel against nature and reinvent the wheel in the name of progress but it's whatever. Agreeing to disagree.

But if there's anything you should take from this, at least question how masculinity and femininity can be distinguished between each other if the lines are blurred now to suggest they never existed. Think about all the mental gymnastics necessary for these theories to make sense, then think of occams razor.

But see that the thing this conversation about sexuality, society and heteronormative tendencies has been going on for a long time, like all aspects of physchology and biology are evolving in thought, I mean you can challenge it and argue against but nothing has really changed, we are talking about the 1% of 1% basically. That population is not increasing per se, but society is letting these people live out in the open. I don't think there's gonna be great revisions to what is already but the discussion is still taking place. I'm not a PHD in psychology or in human behavior or in human sexuality. But I do think based on whats been happening socially and based on continuing research that gender indentity is not set based on what is stuck between your legs in a sense, but 99% do identitify themselves based on that, and now we are talking about outliers of outliers.

 

[Oville]

I completely believe that its possible for people to believe that they wish they were born in a different body. I think to a smaller degree most people wish that they were either taller, women might feel they had larger breasts etc. So with that being said I completely agree that there are some people who wish they were born in a woman's body or women that wish they were born in a men's body. I don't think its necessarily makes them insane because everyone has desires and we don't get to pick and choose what bodies we live under. Plus the fact that these people are committing suicide at large rates should point to the fact that this is a legitimate struggle and that it has to be more than just a cosmetic situation for them because their obviously struggling with this.

I have a problem with the fact that if I don't completely by into the fact that "wishing to be born" or "feeling like your something different than how you were born" makes you into that particular thing. If a transgender person is in front of me, I'll refer to them in the way that they want to be referred cuz its their legal right and its not worth picking an argument or offending someone over but I feel funny when I refer to someone by their transgender title cuz I just don't buy into the argument that gender's a choice because I think most people have forgotten where the social identity of gender arose from.

Gender was born because society placed specific roles for men and women throughout history. Due to the fact that most societies had a patriarchal structure, women had to deal with issues that were specific to their defined role in society. So not being expected to work, vote, or do anything but stay in the house cook, clean, and raise the children was the mother's role. The biological circumstances with which women go through as well and how society legislated what should be done with a woman's reproductive organs also blended into the gender identity of what women in particular go through.

For the most part transgender people do not go through the same struggles. They have their own struggles with regards to feeling that they were born in the wrong body, but thats a whole different kind of struggle than the struggle which influenced the original idea of what gender identity is.

Another hole in the argument is the masculinity and femininity argument. That because a person demonstrates more masculine characteristics they should be a man. Or because a female demonstrates more female characteristics they should be female. However there's plenty of men who have effeminate characteristics that don't define themselves women. There's plenty of females who are butch but don't define themselves as men. I seen Bill Maher interview a transgender "woman" a few weeks ago and they were talking about how certain websites have up to 60 different gender categories. I mean damn, really?

I don't mind someone doing what they feel like they have to do to be happy. I'll call someone whose transgender by their given name but in all actuality its really just to appease them its not an argument that I completely buy into. And I don't like how society makes you feel like your a caveman or bigoted if you don't completely buy into that idea. You had transgender advocacy groups going at the vagina monologues because it doesn't represent all women, just women who were born with a uterus. What?

 

[Jaylen Tatum]

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

my grandchildren are gonna be wondering why people that look like them are STILL getting murdered by police
by that time some bullshyt like fukking your pets will jump in front of that issue

Nah