The Chinese model is failing Africa

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Certainly, that could be the case for Niger or Mali. A lot of African countries are landlocked. But very many are not. And even some landlocked ones are making some strides like Ethiopia and Rwanda.

Having major water routes helps both of them

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Having major water routes helps both of them

There isn’t substantial inland water navigation (like the Mississippi or the Rhine) in Niger or Mali. They’re both dependent on states close to the ocean like Senegal or Nigeria.

Ethiopia and Rwanda don’t have inland waterways that enable them to send barges out into the ocean.

 

[LurkMoar]

basically china treats africa like how these vulture lenders (autos, payday, etc) are in poor neighborhoods in america. people will just make excuses and say "well at least they're making subprime loans available to them." (even if it's going to cost them 3x what it should)

Basically

 

[88m3]

Basically

Empathetically

 

[feelosofer]

basically china treats africa like how these vulture lenders (autos, payday, etc) are in poor neighborhoods in america. people will just make excuses and say "well at least they're making subprime loans available to them." (even if it's going to cost them 3x what it should)

I see where you're coming from but it seems that even if the terms aren't the best, is it preferable to having an outdated infrastructure for another say 50 years due to inconsistent government or having another nation do it at an even higher price?

 

[Secure Da Bag]

So really title is "Africa fails at leveraging the Chinese model".

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

China is just finding new pretexts through which to foster competition for its exports. The state pays for projects in other countries for which its state-backed companies are competing to obtain.

It's a pretty ingenious way of artificially keeping demand up and preventing oversupply from flooding international markets - especially for concrete and steel.

It's one of the failures of a state-planned economy. The IMF has certainly not done any better. Africa's badly-drawn borders from colonialism and conflicts as well as its dysfunctional political and economic institutions are sufficiently to blame for slow development in many countries.

I think the main problem is viewing this through the Western lens of how we measure "success".

I doubt China ever expected ROI on most of their "investments", and nor do they particularly care about African development. They use Africa as a testing ground. They test out new tech there, which method of building a railway is fastest etc. Then they use the optimized versions in China.

And there's the political goal too - to try and spread the Chinese government model to other countries as an alternative to Western democracy.

i think they do expect a political return. so countries that get assistance will support votes in the UN GA that the chinese government supports. this is kind of similar to the political goal you were talking about.

 

[theworldismine13]

the chinese model works, its the same model that has been used by other asian countries, its basically focus on infrastructure, education and encouraging native large enterprises

the chinese building infrastructure in africa is not the chinese model its just aid, aid doesn't work

 

[ZoeGod]

The Western model for Africa has been a disaster. At least Africa has infrastructure. What has the US and the EU offered Africa? Exactly nothing but colonialism. That is why I want Haiti to be closer to China or any other country not the US because the US has failed Haiti for the last 200 years. The US and Europe for that matter cannot be trusted at the end of the day they are racist white supremacist nations.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

 

[thernbroom]

Its sad what the Chinese are doing to Africa especially uganda i have seen road signs in Chinese in uganda and hotels with only Chinese channel's

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Its sad what the Chinese are doing to Africa especially uganda i have seen road signs in Chinese in uganda and hotels with only Chinese channel's

At some point, you have to put the responsibility on the gov't. Uganda is letting this happen to them because they are too money happy.

 

[Triipe]

That first guy speaking from morocco makes some good points, but China is really only after the natural resources and raw materials of Africa. They wont give up any jobs, or do any major manufacturing in Africa.

This is one of the biggest things holding africa back, is that people aggressively buy natural resources, and export the materials to be processed and manufactured abroad and then sold back to the African markets. If china isn't building the systems needed for full production of goods then they aren't investing in a long lasting and positively impactful manner

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

That first guy speaking from morocco makes some good points, but China is really only after the natural resources and raw materials of Africa. They wont give up any jobs, or do any major manufacturing in Africa.

This is one of the biggest things holding africa back, is that people aggressively buy natural resources, and export the materials to be processed and manufactured abroad and then sold back to the African markets. If china isn't building the systems needed for full production of goods then they aren't investing in a long lasting and positively impactful manner

 

[DEAD7]

I see locally developed industry backed by foreign investment as a key to raising the standard of living for people in African nations.
...if the only nation offering to help/invest is offering "overpriced, under-performing infrastructure", you still take it.






@ America(or anyone) throwing shade at Chinese aid/investment when we aren't offering an alternative.