The Cleveland Cavaliers have acquired Donovan Mitchell in a trade, sources tell ESPN.
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RJ is highly overrated for some reason and Lauri is underrated because people hate his playstyle. They are probably a wash in overall impact
RJ is still only 22.
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He got flipped for Jimmy Butler and Donovan Mitchell how do you hold that against him
RJ could easily be a Jazz right now
If it’s about perception then yes RJ is perceived as better he’s a long time blue chip and has been touted as a future star for years
Y’all love narratives and perception rather than facts Markannen has been the better NBA player. RJ has been one of the most inefficient players in the league since entering.
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Okay and before that a trash ass Chicago team didn't believe in him enough after 4 years to pay him.He got flipped for Jimmy Butler and Donovan Mitchell how do you hold that against him
RJ could easily be a Cav right now
If it’s about perception then yes RJ is perceived as better he’s a long time blue chip and has been touted as a future star for years
Y’all love narratives and perception rather than facts Markannen has been the better NBA player
Markannen is not better than RJ simply for being a catch and shoot big. He's been in the league 2 years longer so "every year" isn't really apples to apples. '22 RJ became better than any version of Lauri and he's in fact shown upward trajectory every year while Lauri stays stuck a catch and shoot 4th option.
As of September 6 2022 RJ is the better player. Like I said, you're the only guy believes the opposite.
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I wouldn’t have paid RJ either
Knicks felt the pressure to pay him because they haven’t extended anyone since Charlie Ward and RJ is generally liked and believed in by the fanbase. He looks the part, says all the right things, works and play hard, he’s likeable. His actual game though? It’s nothing to write home about one of the leagues most inefficient players. Markannen gives you more value as a floor spacer and finisher as a third-to-fourth option than RJ does as the focal point or second option on a team.
The age thing is overrated RJ coming into his fourth season. In Markannen’s age 21 season he averaged 19/9 on much better efficiency than RJ and did it without stat padding/chasing which is what RJ was doing the second half of our season.
The fact that you say you wouldn't have paid RJ while admitting that he works and plays hard (evident in the fact he's improved yearly) means you wouldn't have kept the job much longer.I wouldn’t have paid RJ either
Knicks felt the pressure to pay him because they haven’t extended anyone since Charlie Ward and RJ is generally liked and believed in by the fanbase. He looks the part, says all the right things, works and play hard, he’s likeable. His actual game though? It’s nothing to write home about one of the leagues most inefficient players. Markannen gives you more value as a floor spacer and finisher as a third-to-fourth option than RJ does as the focal point or second option on a team.
The age thing is overrated RJ coming into his fourth season. In Markannen’s age 21 season he averaged 19/9 on much better efficiency than RJ and did it without stat padding/chasing which is what RJ was doing the second half of our season.
Where is this inflated sense of value coming from? Lauri's player profile is no longer a unicorn, and being a defensive negative is worse relative to his position. His finishing, also relative to his position/size, is nothing to write home about, and his volume at the rim isn't great enough to offset it.
I said nothing about age, I said years in the league. Lauri did 19/9 on a 22-win team with 0 expectations, and has regressed since. RJ is doing what he's doing on a team that was Top 4 in the East, and in their regression year was still somewhat competitive. Is he actually stat-padding or is he progressing towards what he was drafted to do?
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Playing and working hard doesn’t mean shyt he has a high motor and wants to be great. His actual improvement has been marginal as he is walking into his fourth season still as a below average shooter, ball handler, and finisher. The flashes are not sustained. It’s why he couldn’t swing this trade and why he was extended at a relative bargain price.
Barrett was statpadding/chasing he and his trainer sat down with that goal to average 20 per game. His trainer had the IG post up but it has been taken down. RJ came back from injury aggressive and had that 46 piece against Miami. In that stretch he came back from injury to the end of the season he averaged 24/6/4 but did so taking over 20 shots on a shytty 40/31/74 with playoffs out of sight and got the average he wanted.
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RJ is too stiff and get dribble to his right side.
He's a rotational player but he isn't a lead guy.
Stop leading ur position with his ppg improving every season. He's also shooting more every season and percentage wise shooting worse.
He's a rotational player but he isn't a lead guy.
Stop leading ur position with his ppg improving every season. He's also shooting more every season and percentage wise shooting worse.
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Lari trash broHe got flipped for Jimmy Butler and Donovan Mitchell how do you hold that against him
RJ could easily be a Jazz right now
If it’s about perception then yes RJ is perceived as better he’s a long time blue chip and has been touted as a future star for years
Y’all love narratives and perception rather than facts Markannen has been the better NBA player. RJ has been one of the most inefficient players in the league since entering.
Playing and working hard with a high motor means he's more deserving of getting extended than the other guy in the conversation. Based on how you feel about him how is $30M/yr a bargain?
Should he not have been aggressive? Don't say it was about his contract because he had this entire upcoming season to have a magic contract year. He's not as efficient as we want a 6'6" wing to be but he's done more on more relevant teams than the other guy.
Marginal improvement > regression.
Still better than Lauri.
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$30M is a bargain with the upcoming cap jump and the going rate for top prospects extending their rookie deals. It would really be a bargain if he lives up to expectations which is what everyone is banking on/hoping for/expecting.
As far as who he has been in his career one of the most inefficient players in the league since entering no he is mid just another guy really hasn’t done enough to put him at a pedestal and he has been blessed with opportunity and good health.
I don’t think Lauri has regressed his offensive growth has been stagnant hut he did reinvent himself as a SF and held his own defensively last season contributing to a playoff team. In Utah taking 15-18 shots I have no doubt he would score just as much as RJ does and more efficiently.
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It could be potentially depending on how quickly Mobley wants his money. I would assume that he’d be willing to wait considering that no one else outside of Cleveland could offer him the 5th year. I would also assume that his camp reached out for clarification right after they found out about it.
A lot of yall really look clueless in this thread thinking mitchell wasn't that guy