The concept of 72 virgins in Islam

[Blackking]

Great thread guys.

This is a prime example of why people love HL.. threads like this.



to be clear, this thread was ended pages ago, by a few posters.

 

[p00rky]

wow, so you pointed out the women in your family doing things in america that they couldnt do in islamist countries. thanks for reiterating my point . also, no, ten fukkin years is not a long time when we're talking about the culture of a country changing

im an agnostic, because i dont know whether or not god exists. no one on this board does either, although they act like they do

Wow, you are stupid. In my post I brought up cultural beliefs being mixed with religious beliefs. Did you miss that?

Please point to what section of the Quran that forbids women from working. I'll wait

You do know Agnostic is a synonym for p*ssy, right?

Also, look at these savage Muslims not jihading the non believers who survived that nuclear disaster in Japan years ago. Must of been their day off or maybe they are poising them.




Source: Muslim Group Serves Curry to Japanese Earthquake Survivors | Japan Probe
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[the cac mamba]

Wow, you are stupid. In my post I brought up cultural beliefs being mixed with religious beliefs. Did you miss that?

still dont get how this refutes my point that in islamist countries, a lot of women cant accomplish what your relatives did

Please point to what section of the Quran that forbids women from working. I'll wait

why dont we just point to all of the interpetations of the quran around the world where thats true

You do know Agnostic is a synonym for p*ssy, right?

:belip: every human is an agnostic, they just claim otherwise. and theres nothing more p*ssy than censoring what you type on the coli

Also, look at these savage Muslims not jihading the non believers who survived that nuclear disaster in Japan years ago. Must of been their day off or maybe they are poising them.

of course theres peaceful muslims. theres also plenty of them who use the idea of 'allah' to justify violence, and if we could do away with their beliefs the world would be a better place


Source: Muslim Group Serves Curry to Japanese Earthquake Survivors | Japan Probe
SriLankan 4000 people Curry Ongaeshi.qt - YouTube

 

[p00rky]

You were originally talking about Islam in general not country but ok...

Interpretations? Obviously, people interpret things differently. Remember when you posted, " heres a few select passages from that filthy book of lies that you call 'holy' ". Now you are trying to switch it up because you know it doesn't say that in the Quran. Nice

every human is an agnostic, they just claim otherwise.


and theres nothing more ***** than censoring what you type on the coli
I did that because if I didn't replace the "u" with "*" it would be all asterisks like in your post... So, by your logic that makes you a p*ssy too, right?

of course theres peaceful muslims. theres also plenty of them who use the idea of 'allah' to justify violence, and if we could do away with their beliefs the world would be a better place

That Norway terrorist was Christian, Africans killing gays are Christian, crusades, etc... I know its been awhile since some of the events ocurred but you said time doesn't matter...

There are peaceful muslims and violent muslims. There are peaceful christian and violent christians...There are peaceful jews and violent jews. At the end of the day they are human first. Humans use religion to justify their hate, murder, racism, etc... The sooner you learn that the better you be. But of course Islam is the devil religion...

 

[the cac mamba]

You were originally talking about Islam in general not country but ok...

Interpretations? Obviously, people interpret things differently. Remember when you posted, " heres a few select passages from that filthy book of lies that you call 'holy' ". Now you are trying to switch it up because you know it doesn't say that in the Quran. Nice

every human is an agnostic, they just claim otherwise.


and theres nothing more ***** than censoring what you type on the coli
I did that because if I didn't replace the "u" with "*" it would be all asterisks like in your post... So, by your logic that makes you a p*ssy too, right?

of course theres peaceful muslims. theres also plenty of them who use the idea of 'allah' to justify violence, and if we could do away with their beliefs the world would be a better place
There are peaceful muslims and violent muslims. There are peaceful christian and violent christians...There are peaceful jews and violent jews. At the end of the day they are human first. Humans use religion to justify their hate, murder, racism, etc... The sooner you learn that the better you be. But of course Islam is the devil religion...

yo breh i had no idea about the censorship it censors for u? cuz it doesnt for me

not even sure where our disagreement is anymore. u win, i guess

 

[Chris.B]

typical islamist copout. i knew that would be your answer before i even posted it



Qur'an (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.

Qur'an (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses.

Qur'an (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"

Qur'an (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).

Qur'an (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).

Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).

Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers.

Qur'an (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.

Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).


From the Hadith:

Bukhari (6:301) - "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"

Bukhari (6:301) - continued - "[Muhammad said] 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.'" Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.

Bukhari (2:28) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven ever mentioned by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).

Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing that a woman brings to a marriage is between her legs.

Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates" her on the spot to another man.

Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'" These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.

Abu Dawud (2:704) - "...the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw."

Abu Dawud (2155) - Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the "evil" in them.

Ishaq 593 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.'" Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad's presence without a word of rebuke from him.

Ishaq 593 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out slave girls to his cronies for sex.

Al-Tirmidhi 3272 - "When Allah's Messenger was asked which woman was best he replied, 'The one who pleases (her husband) when he looks at her, obeys him when he gives a command, and does not go against his wishes regarding her person or property by doing anything of which he disapproves'."

 

[50CentStan]

typical islamist copout. i knew that would be your answer before i even posted it



Qur'an (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.

Nothing wrong with this at all, the women will receive their 1:2 fair share when their husbands inherit from their family. I have recently seen a brother divide his parents assets among his brothers and sisters, and it is the most fair inheritance that is possible. CacMamba 0, Islam 1

Qur'an (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses.

LOL @ studies show women are less likely to lie than men, that sounds like baloney, and that type of survey can go either way. There is nothing wrong with mens testimoney, the chances of women being a witness are slim to none anyway in sharia. and off topic, personally women Gossip, you know that, I know that. Cac Mamba 0, Islam 2


Qur'an (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"

In which way CAC Mamba? [3:195] Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you male or female - you are equal to one another. Cac Mamba 0, Islam 3

Qur'an (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).

First off, men are not to shake a womans hands unless it is his wife, or family member (mother, sister) Secondly the verse has to do with intercourse, after sex, wet dream, or any type of sperm release, you are unclean until you take a shower. People use dirt as a water substitute in villages all over the world to cleanse themselves. Cac Mamba 0, Islam 4

Qur'an (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).

You already admitted your loss, Cac Mamba 0, Islam 5

Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).

Wrong, Anal is not permitted in Islam, the verse is talking about MFace to face sex, or Doggy (hittin it from the back) not anal WITH THE WIFE. Cac Mamba 0, Islam 6

Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers.

Women outnumber men, and always will, if there are unmarried women, it can ruin a society (like America has become);Lesbians, out of wedlock sex, sex changes, etc... Cac Mamba 0, Islam 7

Qur'an (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.

So, the Angels have male names, I dont see your point at all, I will not score this one, because your argument is beyond weak my brother.

Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).

It never says sex slaves anywhere in that verse, and this is an essential verse when arabic comes into play, you dont understand the poetic way the Quran is written, no one till this day has even came near to the quality of poetry in the Quran. Cac Mamba 0, Islam 8


From the Hadith:

Bukhari (6:301) - "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"


Bukhari (6:301) - continued - "[Muhammad said] 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.'" Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.

Bukhari (2:28) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven ever mentioned by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).

Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing that a woman brings to a marriage is between her legs.

Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates" her on the spot to another man.

Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'" These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.

Abu Dawud (2:704) - "...the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw."

Abu Dawud (2155) - Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the "evil" in them.

Ishaq 593 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.'" Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad's presence without a word of rebuke from him.

Ishaq 593 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out slave girls to his cronies for sex.

Al-Tirmidhi 3272 - "When Allah's Messenger was asked which woman was best he replied, 'The one who pleases (her husband) when he looks at her, obeys him when he gives a command, and does not go against his wishes regarding her person or property by doing anything of which he disapproves'."


I havent had time to read the Hadiths you wrote, because I'm getting late to go to the mosque for Magreb, but just to tell you, the Hadiths can be, and might have been changed, the Quran has never been changed, and never will change, therefore you dont have proof which hadith is authentic and which is fabricated.

I am here to help you understand brother, it is my job, the dawah. If you have any more questions feel free to ask, but I request you be respectful, because if you are not it only makes you look bad. Thank you, and Peace be with you.

 

[Chris.B]

I am here to help you understand brother, it is my job, the dawah. If you have any more questions feel free to ask, but I request you be respectful, because if you are not it only makes you look bad. Thank you, and Peace be with you.

explain those Qur'an quotes please....

 

[50CentStan]

explain those Qur'an quotes please....

Which ones my brother? The ones Mamba posted I explained, If there are any I can explain, I will try to the best of my abilities. You can also pm me if you have any questions to brother.

Peace be with you.