The Curious Case of the Crazed Centrist

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The exchange below has to go down as one of the worst political challenges in HL history. The conversation started in the Official War with Iran thread, but the rhetorical devices used by @Pressure can be seen across every HL thread. Hopefully many of you will begin to see the pattern and learn to disengage. So let's get started:

This was the opening salvo......
Leftist Dudes hate democrats so much they're attempting to legitimize Trump's actions.

You guys are never going to wield the power you believe you're owed because you lack the violence required to achieve your goals.

That said, this is the acceleration you all wanted. :russ:
1. Red flags should immediately go off any time someone claims that leftists support imperialist action or ideas. The very first thing you should do is have them define leftist ideology and liberalism.

2. A common theme throughout will be the use of "you all" or "y'all" to create the illusion of some centrist vs leftist struggle that the "adult in the room" centrist has to save readers from. The reality is that this is just a random ego maniacal rant.

Which leftists wanted this? Jimmy Dore?

This is a total strawman, no leftists here we’re calling for this..

I said legitimize. Not wanted. You're actually the one making a strawman here sir. :mjlol:

:heh: For starters, confusing legitimize and wanted is not what a strawman is. Secondly, "this is the acceleration you all wanted," was quite literally how the original crazed statement ended. Both legitimize and wanted were used in the post.

What do you mean by legitimize though?
Pretending that Trump's actions are more of the same.

This is a clear break from US foreign policy with Iran.

:heh: in what world is that the definition of legitimize? The word you're looking for here is normalize. But you can't say that "leftists" are trying to normalize Trump's actions in the Middle East because that shyt makes absolutely no sense.
 

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Been busy with some work and watching these hearings but I finally got to watch some of this.

Really felt what BPD said about how right wing planning to subversively convince people to just not vote is the next form of voter suppression and then you both brought some facts after that about specific groups stating that that new network that is going to 'do identity politics' right up to voting or organizing to a collectivist group action.

People on here were making a similar case on the merits during 2016 but other posters wanted that accelerationist route of not voting to send a message.

Dems feet definitely need to be held to the fire, but thinking you are going to be able to hold ANY republican accountable by totally disengaging and consequently Dems continue to hemorrhage long term lose is foolish.

I think the counter for this is more non-establishment POC candidates to run through orgs like Justice Dems who were able to have success with AOC, AP, IO, RT, etc.

I think Cenk realized this and that is why he made the leap himself.
Are you now saying that Trump's actions are not what accelerationist wanted?:mjlol:

I :salute: @DonKnock because at this point I would've just shutdown my cpu.

Regardless how stupid the legitimize v wanted point is, there is a sleight of hand that's more important to take notice of. In the first post leftists wanted acceleration. Now the word leftist has been completely dropped and the leftists are the accelerationists. Think of it this way: some liberals are democrats, but not all democrats are liberal. This confusion is why white voters get duped so easily. Liberal and Democrat are not interchangeable words.

So you we’re talking about Jimmy Dore?(Not a leftist):gucci:

No nikka, I'm referring to guys who said they'd rather sit out than allow warmonger Hillary to become POTUS and continue on with Obama policies that aren't liberal enough.

I'm referring to people, like Sanders and his supporters, who feel that if a leftist isn't in office then young people will sit on the sidelines, pout, and not vote and ensure more years of Trump until they get their way.

I'm referring to statements that pretend killing terrorist with drones is the same as a state sponsored assassination just because it also used a drone.

I'm referring to the politically apathetic who are Making the lives of themselves and others worse because they're protesting the establishment.

If you fall in one of those comments the. Yes, I'm also talking to you and don't have a problem saying it.

If not, take your cape off. :unimpressed:

To save time I'll just focus on the first statement because this is such a stupid talking point that has been debunked countless times. Anyone who sat out of the election in a state that voted for Hillary has nothing to explain at the federal level. Centrist can't admit that and must always argue from the stance of the national popular vote because if you had to focus on the state politics in Wisconsin then you can't hide how feckless centrist democrats have been for decades.

The third statement is a complete self-own though:


Gerald Ford’s 1976 executive order on foreign intelligence activities (issued after the disclosure that the CIA had plans to do in Fidel Castro) explicitly prohibits government employees from engaging in “political assassination.” This certainly rules out killing heads of state through covert means. It’s unclear, however, who else is off limits. The 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Terrorists, a congressional resolution that grants the president the right to use “all necessary and appropriate force” against those who helped commit the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, arguably licenses the CIA to go after terrorists with impunity.

The way international law might apply to the secret program depends on whether the United States is technically at war with al-Qaida. If one takes the resolutions passed by Congress as declarations thereof, it would be indisputably lawful, under the Geneva Conventions, for one uniformed soldier to kill another uniformed soldier. It would also be lawful for a soldier—on the battlefield or operating a drone from afar—to target someone out of uniform who’s nonetheless directly participating in the hostilities. Yet it would not be OK for nonsoldiers such as CIA agents to engage in killing of any kind, since the fact that they’re not in uniforms could be interpreted as “feigning … noncombatant status.” That is a violation of the laws of war.

Some proponents of international law argue, however, that the global war on terrorism is not a war in the legal sense. In that case, sending soldiers or other operatives to pick off terrorists would be an extrajudicial, paramilitary action against a private group—no different from sending the CIA to Italy to murder suspected members of the mafia—and a violation of the basic notions of state sovereignty. Of course, a neocon might argue that if the CIA kills a terrorist in a foreign country (even if that country does not condone our presence), it’s kosher because it’s a form of self-defense, where the “self” in question is the United States of America. It doesn’t matter whether the terrorist is currently engaged in fighting—only that he’s a terrorist. This reasoning adopts a classic aspect of law-enforcement philosophy to justify an otherwise blatantly criminal action.
What are the rules for government-sponsored assassinations?

NEW YORK (AP) — After Friday’s targeted killing of Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani, newsrooms struggled with the question: Had the United States just carried out an assassination? And should news stories about the killing use that term?

The AP Stylebook, considered a news industry bible, defines assassination as “the murder of a politically important or prominent individual by surprise attack.”

Although the United States and Iran have long been adversaries and engaged in a shadow war in the Middle East and elsewhere, the U.S. has never declared formal war on Iran. So the targeted killing of a high Iranian state and military official by a surprise attack was “clearly an assassination,” said Mary Ellen O’Connell, an expert in international law and the laws of war at the University of Notre Dame School of Law.
Was the drone attack on Iranian general an assassination?
 

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No, 99% of the left thought it would still be business as usual. Instead 99% of the left has given Trump credibility.

And 100% of the left who didn't vote are no better than Trump supporters. :yeshrug:

You’re conflating so many groups to be disingenuous about who “accelerationists” are but whatever.


Bernie Sanders HIMSELF stumped for Hillary, so idk wtf you’re even on about.

Imagine me saying all centrists wanted Iraq and Afghanistan to happen because Pelosi didn’t go after Bush for WMDs.
That’s what you’re doing right now. But literally worse because Bernie told people to vote for Hillary!

Yeah @Pressure there's some morons out there, so I wouldn't put it past a few lefties to make dumb comments but show some receipts because this wasn't something any of the lefties I rock with even came close to alluding to wanting or legitimizing (whatever semantics you're getting at with the vagueness stated).

Y'all act like y'all haven't spent years quoting pieces by Matt Taibbi.

Conjuring up ideas of a war mongering left.

Facilitating the idea that choosing between Trump and Hillary over foreign policy is a false choice.

Writing think pieces congratulating the youth for not voting for Hillary.

But the biggest problem is you all refuse to accept the bad elements of the American left as being a part of the American left because you don't associate with them personally.

:russ:



You talking about them like they're outliers and aren't a significant portion. Disregard their bullshyt as just a few morons (it's not).

Then when it's time to vote you all talk about how important they are.

My position is clear. A lot of you leftist have used a strategy to blurr the lines between democrats and Republicans as an election tactic when it's reality there are huge differences between a center left dem and neofacist Trumppublicans.

Nah, YOU talk about how important they are my dude. WE have repeatedly pointed to the fact that the ones who didn't show up would have never voted for Hillary to begin with and the ones who showed up for Trump fall to a lesser percentage of the voting populace than YOU centrists that turned on Obama because he beat Hillary. This is objectively true and you're just being emotional. The accelerationists are not 99% of us, not a majority of us (again look at how many Bernie voters gave Hillary support) and make up a small but vocal faction within the left aka a few morons that most of us disregard because their biggest impact is giving you centrists an excuse to blame all of your failures on the left in spite of holding the levers of the Democratic party for 30 years now.

So another 4 years of Trump and we'll be right as rain? When will the scales finally be tipped? It's pretty amusing that the number of accelerationists has grown since Trump took office.

Me: Accelerationists don't represent a large contingent of the left at all, yall make that up to excuse yourselves of shytting the bed whenever you lose.

You: So you're saying you want four more years of Trump?

We had very good reasons to be suspicious of her. You forgetting the Iraq War Vote and Libya ?
You're right. Hillary and Trump are two birds of a feather. :mjlol:

This is really one of the most unhinged string of posts I've ever read here and I was in that pizzagate thread when it was first created.

The next post actually shows the level of BS you have to be on to concoct such an unnecessary attack.
 

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So remember the initial post that started this toilet bowl convo was:
Leftist Dudes hate democrats so much they're attempting to legitimize Trump's actions.

You guys are never going to wield the power you believe you're owed because you lack the violence required to achieve your goals.

That said, this is the acceleration you all wanted. :russ:

And here are the "receipts"

It's like y'all don't remember pontificating how Hillary was to the right of Trump on foreign policy and in particular the middle east. :mjtf:

What scares me about her is her fear of being labeled weak which can lead her in to taking hawkish positions to prove she is a strong leader.

3. Read the interview, however, and you also see Clinton's weakness as a candidate: she is more hawkish than the post-Iraq Democratic Party. She is upset that she lost the internal administration debate over whether to intervene in Syria. She's focused on the expansive ambitions of radical jihadists. She takes a hard line on Iran's nuclear ambitions. She's frustrated that Obama thinks more about the dangers of action than the dangers of inaction. She's dismissive of Obama's shorthand foreign policy principle "don't do stupid stuff". She wants the country that defeated fascism and communism to develop a grand — and more interventionist — strategy to guide its leadership of the world. She sounds like a Democrat from 2002 rather than 2014.

WikiLeaks - Hillary Clinton Email Archive



:patrice: So she is zionist bent on maintaining Israeli military hegemony in the middle east

Her interests don't lie within America but for Israel :leostare:

“Donald Trump will be running to the left as we understand it against Hillary Clinton on national security issues,” Republican strategist Steve Schmidtsaid on MSNBC last week. “And the candidate in the race most like George W. Bush and dikk Cheney from a foreign policy perspective is in fact Hillary Clinton, not the Republican nominee.”

And it’s not only the militarism that Trump talks about, it’s Hillary’s massive record of militarism: the rush into Libya, which was really—you know, she was the prime mover behind that campaign, which the military advisers were largely against; her approval for the war in Iraq and so on; you know, her threat to bomb Iran; and, you know, she—and her demonization of Russia and China, and the pivot against China. We are rushing towards war with Hillary Clinton, who has a track record.

#JillNotHill :sas2:

It's unreal, Hillary was out here in 2008 saying she'd nuke Iran

:ld: You're not voting for the people who attend a candidate's rallies, you're voting for the candidate. I would be much more comfortable at a Clinton rally than a Trump rally, but that doesn't stop me from preferring his policies to hers.

With that said this monkey face bytch is about to take it there when she takes office and I want no parts of this next war

Russia
Syria
Iran
North Korea

You Demtards dikkriders are telling nikkas Hillary is better than Trump? This bytch gonna start WWIII and you say this shyt is not rigged.... The cognitive dissonance is a mf :merchant:

Obama's Middle East policy has been mostly poor....but Bush's was worse, and Clinton's will be worse.

The people who brought us these wars someone magically think that more and more war will get us out.

Flynn is by no means a peacenik, but I don't see him advocating the Bush/Hillary/Obama/Powers method of interventionism. The most likely way anti-Iran military action is taken is through Saudi or Israeli lobbying. Flynn has been critical of the former but genial to the latter. I don't like his stance on Iran at all, but when analyzed in context with his other statements and stances, especially towards Russia, I believe there will be mitigating factors preventing an invasion of Iran.

becsuze Hillary would've put the US in a nuclear war :manny:

"but hillary will start a war"

fukking shyt for brains mother fukkers

I'd rather have Trump than Hillary. If Hillary who called us super predators was in office, black people would not be able to see her for the racist that she is.
Trump is out with his racism so black people know who they're dealing with.
The proof of this was in Alabama. Black people are starting to finally mobilize. It's easier to deal with a wolf than a conniving fox.

look at this c*nt pushing for war with iran

im not sorry that she lost in 2016. fukk her

President Trump has obviously turned out to be more of a hawk than Candidate Trump, but the idea that Hillary Clinton would have been a definite and marked improved in this area doesn't seem based in reality. She was consistently one of the most hawkish voices in the Obama administration and behind his worst foreign policy moves.

:scust:that stupid "and you're gonna hear me rooooaaarrrr" song would be playing over and over again in her re-election campaign ads

:francis:all this same shyt with immigrant concentration camps would still be happening but it would be downplayed by the media even more than it already is because she's a woman and a democrat

:patrice:the Iran deal probably would still be in place but the Pentagon would still be trying to start a war anyway and Hillary would be supporting their efforts

:snoop:Repubs would have swept the midterms

:manny:Fox News and congressional Republicans would have successfully convinced the majority of people that she stole the election

:huhldup:Impeachment proceedings would be well underway

:wtb:That pedo Epstein would be free, since the Clintons actually protect their friends, unlike Trump

:dame:Speaking of Trump, he'd be chilling somewhere, free from investigation since Centrist Scum like Hillary don't believe in wielding power




Basically what I'm saying is that it would be worse. :yeshrug:

:laff: bro hold on as I rundown this list...these are the leftist accelerationists of HL:
@Robbie3000
@No1 aka BarNone
@BaggerofTea
@ineedsleep212
@ill
@FAH1223
@JahFocus CS
@King Kreole
@1031 aka CleinB
@Grano-Grano
@Rhakim
@Benjamin Sisko aka Rainman
@Berniewood
@Anhur
@the cac mamba

:laff: dog this is the entire political spectrum...
BarNone was the original HL mainstream centrist
Ill is HL's right wing zionist while @88m3 holds the title for the left wingers. He's literally the boston white guy that every black person avoids.
In what world would FAH represent the same political ideology as the cac mamba? :russ:
We done bushed CleinB so many times for his alt-right shyt :pachaha:

My nikka, the thread that Robbie is quoted on was made by an alt-right alias, and all Robbie did was express fear of Hillary falling victim to peer pressure......AND IT WAS DAPPED BY NAPOLEON

King Kreole was literally a Trump supporter from fukkn Europe faking his American knowledge and reinvented himself as this political genius Warren supporter

:deadmanny: "You leftists"

Dog I'm really insulted.
 

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1. Red flags should immediately go off any time someone claims that leftists support imperialist action or ideas. The very first thing you should do is have them define leftist ideology and liberalism.
Plenty of leftists in America vote for candidates who support American imperialist actions. You yourself voted for Clinton and Obama and both are people you've accused of progressing American Imperialism. Though from reading through your posts over the years it's pretty safe to you don't like Imperialist actions or ideas.

And while it might be a decision based on voting for the lesser evil candidate I think it's also safe to assume you and other leftists believe imperialist actions will eventually lead to the demise of American Capitalism. You've repeatedly admitted throughout your posting history that Capitalism and Imperialism go hand in hand. You hate both and you believe that both will be undoing of each other and only after those failures will Leftists have a chance to "fix America."

In the exchange below we can see you admitting as much.
I'd definitely want to hear a solution to the problem however. The pitfalls and problems of capitalism have widely been pointed out for over a century :ld:



@fkdmR

I personally believe there is nothing we can do at this point. We had one chance to reverse course, and that was during the recession when we had the banks by the nuts.

Its over for now. Pipe dream. Just gotta keep pushing the message until the next financial collapse.

It's not a leap to suggest that you're voting against your own leftists views biding your time for the next financial collapse in hopes that it will usher in the revolution you crave.

A common theme throughout will be the use of "you all" or "y'all" to create the illusion of some centrist vs leftist struggle that the "adult in the room" centrist has to save readers from. The reality is that this is just a random ego maniacal rant.
This is a strange take in a thread we you yourself are framing the entire post as Centrists vs Leftists in which you are attempting to frame yourself as the leftist adult in the room here to save us. Instead of using ya'll you just call everyone who disagree with you a centrist despite their political leanings.:pachaha:
 

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This is really one of the most unhinged string of posts I've ever read here and I was in that pizzagate thread when it was first created.

The next post actually shows the level of BS you have to be on to concoct such an unnecessary attack.

:russell:

If leftists don't want to face the various attacks or accept responsibility for a Trump administration and the actions that come from it they should have showed up to vote. Clearly enough did not. But You don't have to take my word for it though.

Critics of "lesser evil voting" should consider that their footing on the high ground may not be as secure as they often take for granted.

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Among the elements of the weak form of democracy enshrined in the constitution, presidential elections continue to pose a dilemma for the left in that any form of participation or non participation appears to impose a significant cost on our capacity to develop a serious opposition to the corporate agenda served by establishment politicians. The position outlined below is that which many regard as the most effective response to this quadrennial Hobson’s choice, namely the so-called “lesser evil” voting strategy or LEV. Simply put, LEV involves, where you can, i.e. in safe states, voting for the losing third party candidate you prefer, or not voting at all. In competitive “swing” states, where you must, one votes for the “lesser evil” Democrat.

Before fielding objections, it will be useful to make certain background stipulations with respect to the points below. The first is to note that since changes in the relevant facts require changes in tactics, proposals having to do with our relationship to the “electoral extravaganza” should be regarded as provisional. This is most relevant with respect to point 3) which some will challenge by citing the claim that Clinton’s foreign policy could pose a more serious menace than that of Trump.

In any case, while conceding as an outside possibility that Trump’s foreign policy is preferable, most of us not already convinced that that is so will need more evidence than can be aired in a discussion involving this statement. Furthermore, insofar as this is the fact of the matter, following the logic through seems to require a vote for Trump, though it’s a bit hard to know whether those making this suggestion are intending it seriously.

Another point of disagreement is not factual but involves the ethical/moral principle addressed in 1), sometimes referred to as the “politics of moral witness.” Generally associated with the religious left, secular leftists implicitly invoke it when they reject LEV on the grounds that “a lesser of two evils is still evil.” Leaving aside the obvious rejoinder that this is exactly the point of lesser evil voting-i.e. to do less evil, what needs to be challenged is the assumption that voting should be seen a form of individual self-expression rather than as an act to be judged on its likely consequences, specifically those outlined in 4). The basic moral principle at stake is simple: not only must we take responsibility for our actions, but the consequences of our actions for others are a far more important consideration than feeling good about ourselves.

While some would suggest extending the critique by noting that the politics of moral witness can become indistinguishable from narcissistic self-agrandizement, this is substantially more harsh than what was intended and harsher than what is merited. That said, those reflexively denouncing advocates of LEV on a supposed “moral” basis should consider that their footing on the high ground may not be as secure as they often take for granted to be the case.

A third criticism of LEV equates it with a passive acquiescence to the bipartisan status quo under the guise of pragmatism, usually deriving from those who have lost the appetite for radical change. It is surely the case that some of those endorsing LEV are doing so in bad faith-cynical functionaries whose objective is to promote capitulation to a system which they are invested in protecting. Others supporting LEV, however, can hardly be reasonably accused of having made their peace with the establishment. Their concern, as alluded to in 6) and 7) inheres in the awareness that frivolous and poorly considered electoral decisions impose a cost, their memories extending to the ultra-left faction of the peace movement having minimized the comparative dangers of the Nixon presidency during the 1968 elections. The result was six years of senseless death and destruction in Southeast Asia and also a predictable fracture of the left setting it up for its ultimate collapse during the backlash decades to follow.

The broader lesson to be drawn is not to shy away from confronting the dominance of the political system under the management of the two major parties. Rather, challenges to it need to be issued with a full awareness of their possible consequences. This includes the recognition that far right victories not only impose terrible suffering on the most vulnerable segments of society but also function as a powerful weapon in the hands of the establishment center, which, now in opposition can posture as the “reasonable” alternative. A Trump presidency, should it materialize, will undermine the burgeoning movement centered around the Sanders campaign, particularly if it is perceived as having minimized the dangers posed by the far right.

A more general conclusion to be derived from this recognition is that this sort of cost/benefit strategic accounting is fundamental to any politics which is serious about radical change. Those on the left who ignore it, or dismiss it as irrelevant are engaging in political fantasy and are an obstacle to, rather than ally of, the movement which now seems to be materializing.

Finally, it should be understood that the reigning doctrinal system recognizes the role presidential elections perform in diverting the left from actions which have the potential to be effective in advancing its agenda. These include developing organizations committed to extra-political means, most notably street protest, but also competing for office in potentially winnable races. The left should devote the minimum of time necessary to exercise the LEV choice then immediately return to pursuing goals which are not timed to the national electoral cycle.

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1) Voting should not be viewed as a form of personal self-expression or moral judgement directed in retaliation towards major party candidates who fail to reflect our values, or of a corrupt system designed to limit choices to those acceptable to corporate elites.

2) The exclusive consequence of the act of voting in 2016 will be (if in a contested “swing state”) to marginally increase or decrease the chance of one of the major party candidates winning.

3) One of these candidates, Trump, denies the existence of global warming, calls for increasing use of fossil fuels, dismantling of environmental regulations and refuses assistance to India and other developing nations as called for in the Paris agreement, the combination of which could, in four years, take us to a catastrophic tipping point. Trump has also pledged to deport 11 million Mexican immigrants, offered to provide for the defense of supporters who have assaulted African American protestors at his rallies, stated his “openness to using nuclear weapons”, supports a ban on Muslims entering the U.S. and regards “the police in this country as absolutely mistreated and misunderstood” while having “done an unbelievable job of keeping law and order.” Trump has also pledged to increase military spending while cutting taxes on the rich, hence shredding what remains of the social welfare “safety net” despite pretenses.

4) The suffering which these and other similarly extremist policies and attitudes will impose on marginalized and already oppressed populations has a high probability of being significantly greater than that which will result from a Clinton presidency.

5) 4) should constitute sufficient basis to voting for Clinton where a vote is potentially consequential-namely, in a contested, “swing” state.

6) However, the left should also recognize that, should Trump win based on its failure to support Clinton, it will repeatedly face the accusation (based in fact), that it lacks concern for those sure to be most victimized by a Trump administration.

7) Often this charge will emanate from establishment operatives who will use it as a bad faith justification for defeating challenges to corporate hegemony either in the Democratic Party or outside of it. They will ensure that it will be widely circulated in mainstream media channels with the result that many of those who would otherwise be sympathetic to a left challenge will find it a convincing reason to maintain their ties with the political establishment rather than breaking with it, as they must.

8) Conclusion: by dismissing a “lesser evil” electoral logic and thereby increasing the potential for Clinton’s defeat the left will undermine what should be at the core of what it claims to be attempting to achieve.

Noam Chomsky's 8-Point Rationale for Voting for the Lesser Evil Presidential Candidate
 

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The exchange below has to go down as one of the worst political challenges in HL history. The conversation started in the Official War with Iran thread, but the rhetorical devices used by @Pressure can be seen across every HL thread. Hopefully many of you will begin to see the pattern and learn to disengage. So let's get started:

This was the opening salvo......

1. Red flags should immediately go off any time someone claims that leftists support imperialist action or ideas. The very first thing you should do is have them define leftist ideology and liberalism.

2. A common theme throughout will be the use of "you all" or "y'all" to create the illusion of some centrist vs leftist struggle that the "adult in the room" centrist has to save readers from. The reality is that this is just a random ego maniacal rant.





:heh: For starters, confusing legitimize and wanted is not what a strawman is. Secondly, "this is the acceleration you all wanted," was quite literally how the original crazed statement ended. Both legitimize and wanted were used in the post.




:heh: in what world is that the definition of legitimize? The word you're looking for here is normalize. But you can't say that "leftists" are trying to normalize Trump's actions in the Middle East because that shyt makes absolutely no sense.
I have no idea how Pressure gets a pass for consistently shytty arguments like this. Dude is an abysmal poster, and almost everything he says is wrong. I don’t see how Nap is a perennial WOAT but he isn’t mentioned. They’re the same clown ass fire-breathing centrist. Pressure is just less annoying and more prone to deflecting into personal attacks and failed gotcha attempts when he’s wrong.
 

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I have no idea how Pressure gets a pass for consistently shytty arguments like this. Dude is an abysmal poster, and almost everything he says is wrong. I don’t see how Nap is a perennial WOAT but he isn’t mentioned. They’re the same clown ass fire-breathing centrist. Pressure is just less annoying and more prone to deflecting into personal attacks and failed gitcha attempts when he’s wrong.
Because like in the real world, people don't get offended by pragmatism. :mjlol:
 

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So remember the initial post that started this toilet bowl convo was:


And here are the "receipts"



:laff: bro hold on as I rundown this list...these are the leftist accelerationists of HL:
@Robbie3000

@BaggerofTea
@ineedsleep212
@ill
@FAH1223
@JahFocus CS
@King Kreole
@1031 aka CleinB
@Grano-Grano
@Rhakim
@Benjamin Sisko aka Rainman
@Berniewood
@Anhur
@the cac mamba

:laff: dog this is the entire political spectrum...
BarNone was the original HL mainstream centrist
Ill is HL's right wing zionist while @88m3 holds the title for the left wingers. He's literally the boston white guy that every black person avoids.
In what world would FAH represent the same political ideology as the cac mamba? :russ:
We done bushed CleinB so many times for his alt-right shyt :pachaha:

My nikka, the thread that Robbie is quoted on was made by an alt-right alias, and all Robbie did was express fear of Hillary falling victim to peer pressure......AND IT WAS DAPPED BY NAPOLEON

King Kreole was literally a Trump supporter from fukkn Europe faking his American knowledge and reinvented himself as this political genius Warren supporter

:deadmanny: "You leftists"

Dog I'm really insulted.
I have no idea what you’re referencing. All I see are names and some posts from an old thread. I have no idea what’s going on but I have @Pressure on ignore so :manny:.

Ayo, btw this is actually Bar at home sick. My wolverines gave me a damn cold :to:. Who you calling a centrist?
 

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I have no idea how Pressure gets a pass for consistently shytty arguments like this. Dude is an abysmal poster, and almost everything he says is wrong. I don’t see how Nap is a perennial WOAT but he isn’t mentioned. They’re the same clown ass fire-breathing centrist. Pressure is just less annoying and more prone to deflecting into personal attacks and failed gotcha attempts when he’s wrong.
I'm a centrist?

Because simple ass statements don't win me over?
 
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