If he loses can she be awarded more than she is asking for ?
The Derrick Rose Trial - UPDATE: That bytch Lying!!!
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The fact that her credibility is an important issue does not mean that a judge is "going easy" by letting her cry on the stand.
Never said it did. Just responded to the fallacy that the accuser isn't on "trial"
It's not a "fallacy" at all. It's literally true. The accuser is not on trial. If the verdict doesn't go her way, nothing happens to her.
She's only on trial in your head.
I feel like we're talking about two different angles. Rose is the "accused" in this case. You know what the jury base their decisions on? What the accuser says? Was the accuser believable? How was the accuser acting on the stand? What is the accuser's evidence? Hell, Rose ain't gotta do shyt but show up. If you want to be literally about the style of the case being Doe v Rose, cool...then Rose is on trial. But the person who is being vetted in this whole process is the accuser. She's literally the one that's on trial. This narrative of yours is one of the biggest fallacies in the court of law. Just like that "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense. Just like that "jury of your peers" nonsense. It's all word play. That's why a lot of victims don't show up to court because once they get there, they realize the way it really works is that they are the one actually on "trial". Everything from what this broad ate to whether she ended a sentence with a period in a text is being combed thru. Meanwhile, Rose get to doodle on a notepad.
This is a civil case not a criminal case, so that's not exactly true. People can still plead the Fifth in civil cases, but there's no general right to remain silent in civil matters.
Derrick Rose's guilt/innocence is being tried. If the verdict is against Derrick Rose, he pays. If the verdict is in favor of Derrick Rose, the court doesn't do anything to the victim. She's not found guilty of anything. She doesn't pay him money (unless he has a counterclaim or something). She doesn't go to jail. Derrick Rose is literally the person on trial. And if you think otherwise, then you literally don't know what the word "literally" means.
Yeah, now I'm sure of it. You don't know what the word literally means. And anyway, the inception of this argument was me saying that the judge had no reason to tell the victim to "stop crying on the stand." And then you decided to take the second sentence of that post in isolation and argue about what you wanted to argue about.
Don't quote me anymore.
That's not how it work though. You can't override what your client wants, you can just make recommendations and lend expertise. If they really wanna go to trial it's nothing you can do but shake your head, take more money, and hope losing the trial doesn't hurt your firm's reputation.I thought the whole point of having a legal team is to make the best decisions for people who aren't well informed about how the legal system works.
They shouldn't have allowed him to override them.
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During one break, no jury in room, defense lawyer asked the judge, “Is Doe going to cry all afternoon?” Judge responded, “I’m not going to order a witness not to cry, any more than order her not to breathe.”
Doe spoke very softly, often being asked to repeat self by judge, jurors, and lawyers. Under cross-examination, Doe admitted she was lying when she told Rose she bought the sex belt at a “girl-on-girl store” but she actually received it from a nightclub promoter.
Doe stated reason she lied was bc “I didn’t want him to think I was !re-gifting it"
Doe said she sent Rose a text asking if she should bring some ecstasy although she had never having seen him use the drug,.
“I knew he liked weed, and I knew he probably liked ‘E,’ too, we talked about it.”
Doe further admitted that she offered Rose the drugs because she was !nervous.
“The only reason I brought that up was because I was really nervous and at that time I had had two shots of vodka."
Doe stated she couldn’t recall sending this text to Rose at 1:20 a.m. which was an hour and a half before before the alleged gang rape. “I only remember flashes, but I was drunk."
“I left my belt and s–t n yo bathroom. And u need to come to me right now.”
Also stated she didn’t recall getting a 2:52 a.m. text from Allen saying “Wake ur a-- up,” before she saw all three men in her bedroom.
Rose's lawyer asked Doe why she asked Rose via text to “come to me right now”.
“What were you going to do at 4 a.m.?”
Doe: “Watch a movie or just [go] to sleep, communicate or talk,”
Rose's lawyer: “Or have sex?”
Trial today will begin at 9 am and end at 4 pm PT. Doe will take stand to finish cross, and then will be questioned by the defense lawyer.
Doe spoke very softly, often being asked to repeat self by judge, jurors, and lawyers. Under cross-examination, Doe admitted she was lying when she told Rose she bought the sex belt at a “girl-on-girl store” but she actually received it from a nightclub promoter.
Doe stated reason she lied was bc “I didn’t want him to think I was !re-gifting it"
Doe said she sent Rose a text asking if she should bring some ecstasy although she had never having seen him use the drug,.
“I knew he liked weed, and I knew he probably liked ‘E,’ too, we talked about it.”
Doe further admitted that she offered Rose the drugs because she was !nervous.
“The only reason I brought that up was because I was really nervous and at that time I had had two shots of vodka."
Doe stated she couldn’t recall sending this text to Rose at 1:20 a.m. which was an hour and a half before before the alleged gang rape. “I only remember flashes, but I was drunk."
“I left my belt and s–t n yo bathroom. And u need to come to me right now.”
Also stated she didn’t recall getting a 2:52 a.m. text from Allen saying “Wake ur a-- up,” before she saw all three men in her bedroom.
Rose's lawyer asked Doe why she asked Rose via text to “come to me right now”.
“What were you going to do at 4 a.m.?”
Doe: “Watch a movie or just [go] to sleep, communicate or talk,”
Rose's lawyer: “Or have sex?”
Trial today will begin at 9 am and end at 4 pm PT. Doe will take stand to finish cross, and then will be questioned by the defense lawyer.
Sounds like you're having a hard time with stringing the conversation and what I replied to together. My original post was about her crying and the statement of her not being on trial. My response was that she (her crying, what she says, what she remembers, how far she strays from the deposition, etc) is indeed on "trial". (Hence the use of "..." in my first reply). For some reason you wanted to move the narrative to the literal style of the case where yes, it's Doe v Rose, so yes Rose is the one on trial. If you knew anything about the justice system, then you'd know that the burden of proof isn't on the defense. So once you strip the process of these useless narratives, you'd know that when it comes to a trial, the person that is truly on trial is the accuser. Civil or criminal, there are hundreds of people who walk outta the courtroom with a 'W" without uttering a single word. So if you want to continue to hide behind the style of the case as oppose to having a nuanced understanding of how a trial works, then cool. But I guarantee, the prosecutors talked to her about how to be a "good" witness/victim (i.e. crying, being somber, don't be combative, don't react to the defense lawyer trying to rile you up, etc) because at the end of the day.....she's the one on "trial". Ask Marcia Clark who ended up being on "trial", OJ or the LAPD?
Right? Seems a bit crass to me. I have no way of knowing if they did/didn't rape her. But regardless, having a celebratory huddle in the courtroom before anything has been decided seems a little premature and is just tactless (IMO).
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The bytch is clearly lying. I see why rose wanted to go to trial.