The Discourse Around Giannis Getting Gentleman's Swept by A Play-in Team Is Disgusting

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He's got a spot waiting for him at a PR firm if he wants it. That Failure vs Disappointment monologue shifted the whole narrative.

Heard Jonathan Majors reached out for advice.:mjgrin:
 

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He didn't miss three games. He missed 2....and they were 0-3 in his games played...

These nikkas might got swept if Giannis played every game...

He was healthy enough to put up 38 and 20 but not healthy enough to win the series or even make it competitive, is that how this works? We watched this dude crumble down the stretch of both games 4 and 5 and dudes wanna blame his choking on his injury and Bud...

So Giannis is the only superstar who is only accountable for his wins, not his poor play? I've been calling it with dude his whole career, alota yall dudes really do treat this nikka differently. A Y18 LeBron was hurt all year two years ago and playing hurt vs Phx in that Rd1 series and yall kept it hot on him. Steph was hurt most of the season 3 years ago when SF missed the playoffs and yall kept it hot on him. Harden has been hurt most of the last 3 years and yall kept it hot on him each of the last couple playoffs he lpst with Brooklyn and Philly...

Giannis is healthy enough to play, and play well...........until the 4Q and OT and it's time to really put the team on his back. Then it's "shyt he missed half the series"...

Nah man yall not getting away with this shyt...
Giannis has gotten/is getting his heat.

This idea that everything is being taken off of him is disingenuous. Commentary in any given thread not being unanimous, doesn't change the overall energy around this series loss and the perception of who's fault it is.
 

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Bron had series where he was an absolute flamethrower on a team that was the pundit and sportsbook underdog, lost and nikkas made jokes and pretended to be obtuse on purpose.

Yes Giannis is getting kid glove treatment
Bron didn't deserve that. One person experiencing wrong doesn't mean wrong needs to be continued and perpetuated.

And Giannis is not.
 

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Giannis has gotten/is getting his heat.

This idea that everything is being taken off of him is disingenuous. Commentary in any given thread not being unanimous, doesn't change the overall energy around this series loss and the perception of who's fault it is.
We can agree to disagree bruh. There is a softness in going at him, whether from heads like those of us on here, or those in media, a softness in evaluating him that a number of guys haven't gotten...

This board is about 50/50 split on his accountability in losing the series, so I can see there isn't unanimous opinion...

I wouldn't have anything to criticize if it wasn't for the late game folding back to back games. And moreover to my premise, this is habitual with fam, late in big playoff games he turns unreliable the majority of his career. This is who he is, and the silent insinuations that we should just look past that point, is what I'm continuing to highlight...
 

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We can agree to disagree bruh. There is a softness in going at him, whether from heads like those of us on here, or those in media, a softness in evaluating him that a number of guys haven't gotten...

This board is about 50/50 split on his accountability in losing the series, so I can see there isn't unanimous opinion...

I wouldn't have anything to criticize if it wasn't for the late game folding back to back games. And moreover to my premise, this is habitual with fam, late in big playoff games he turns unreliable the majority of his career. This is who he is, and the silent insinuations that we should just look past that point, is what I'm continuing to highlight...
The only softness is in relation to other players, or, to be all the way a buck, one guy in particular. We know who that is.

Now, there is hypocrisy here in particular with certain haters quietly trying to push Giannis as the next version of him, and not necessarily flaming him that hard, so I can feel that part. But, That Guy shouldn't have dealt with that in the first place. So trying to subject Giannis to that would be just as bad as the Antis. Cause if That Guy was unavailable for 60% of a series and got knocked out, we'd be going to bat for him. Hell, he played hurt in a series loss, and we definitely go to bat for him regarding that because we know the real.

I'm not knocking any criticism of Giannis, I can't defend 10/23 from the line or anything else. I'm just not buying this "kid glove" shyt. Not here. If it's from the media (which I haven't consumed much of hoops media in the past few days), that would be one of the few times they are more sensible than many heads.
 

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The only softness is in relation to other players, or, to be all the way a buck, one guy in particular. We know who that is.

Now, there is hypocrisy here in particular with certain haters quietly trying to push Giannis as the next version of him, and not necessarily flaming him that hard, so I can feel that part. But, That Guy shouldn't have dealt with that in the first place. So trying to subject Giannis to that would be just as bad as the Antis. Cause if That Guy was unavailable for 60% of a series and got knocked out, we'd be going to bat for him. Hell, he played hurt in a series loss, and we definitely go to bat for him regarding that because we know the real.

I'm not knocking any criticism of Giannis, I can't defend 10/23 from the line or anything else. I'm just not buying this "kid glove" shyt. Not here. If it's from the media (which I haven't consumed much of hoops media in the past few days), that would be one of the few times they are more sensible than many heads.
It's not just LeBron though, I pointed out Steph and Harden in my post you quoted, guys who were ripped while dealing with injuries...

My thing has always been, are you a superstar? If the answer is yes, everyone is graded on the same criteria...

Giannis was playing injured in this series, that's not the point I'm debating. We have to stop treating all injuries as equal. In the games he returned to play, Games 4 and 5, he played well enough to go 38 minutes in one game, 42 in the next, and post a line of 32/15/8 on 53% shooting. This isn't a guy who was barely making it thru the game...

He was playing at an elite level------>until the 4thQ and OT of these games. This is why the excuse making for him doesn't fly. And it's even more flagrant given this is a regular trend with Giannis in big playoff games. This is what he's done in crunch time more often than not, the problem is most guys weren't paying attention to him and also people have to protect their agendas you highlighted, the agenda to relate him as Bron-esque or even greater than Bron...

I'll say again, if he wasn't fumbling and bumbling down the stretch of these games, I'd have no criticism for him. I'd he didn't have a history of fukking up late in these games. I'd have no criticism...

If he was hurt to the point he was struggling thru the game and had minimal impact, let's say instead I'd 32/15/8 he was averaging 16/7.5/4, and we could clearly see he was in trouble doing anything on the court, I'd have no criticism of him...

For me and speaking for myself only, my criticism isn't about the way LeBron was treated. It's about the habitual pattern of fam playing subpar in his career, it showed up last year in the 4thQ of G6 and in G7 last year in Boston, and its showed up plenty of times prior. My criticism of Giannis is about Giannis, and sure there's a connective link given many people have anointed him to a level higher than what he's shown us. But my criticism of Giannis is about Giannis...
 

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It's not just LeBron though, I pointed out Steph and Harden in my post you quoted, guys who were ripped while dealing with injuries...

My thing has always been, are you a superstar? If the answer is yes, everyone is graded on the same criteria...

Giannis was playing injured in this series, that's not the point I'm debating. We have to stop treating all injuries as equal. In the games he returned to play, Games 4 and 5, he played well enough to go 38 minutes in one game, 42 in the next, and post a line of 32/15/8 on 53% shooting. This isn't a guy who was barely making it thru the game...

He was playing at an elite level------>until the 4thQ and OT of these games. This is why the excuse making for him doesn't fly. And it's even more flagrant given this is a regular trend with Giannis in big playoff games. This is what he's done in crunch time more often than not, the problem is most guys weren't paying attention to him and also people have to protect their agendas you highlighted, the agenda to relate him as Bron-esque or even greater than Bron...

I'll say again, if he wasn't fumbling and bumbling down the stretch of these games, I'd have no criticism for him. I'd he didn't have a history of fukking up late in these games. I'd have no criticism...

If he was hurt to the point he was struggling thru the game and had minimal impact, let's say instead I'd 32/15/8 he was averaging 16/7.5/4, and we could clearly see he was in trouble doing anything on the court, I'd have no criticism of him...

For me and speaking for myself only, my criticism isn't about the way LeBron was treated. It's about the habitual pattern of fam playing subpar in his career, it showed up last year in the 4thQ of G6 and in G7 last year in Boston, and its showed up plenty of times prior. My criticism of Giannis is about Giannis, and sure there's a connective link given many people have anointed him to a level higher than what he's shown us. But my criticism of Giannis is about Giannis...
Steph is not the guy to juxtapose to Giannis in his times of falling short. At all lol. At best he catches heat that dissipates quicker than any of player of his level. Mainly for the "one team" shyt and being the Finals foil to Bron. He gets too much context allowed with him that others don't get outside of KD.

Harden, you specifically said the last 3 or so years. No, Harden in that time period has not gotten the heat you think Giannis isn't/should be getting in this time frame because 1) He hasn't been serving as the #1 player in his Nets/Sixers era, and 2) His near-decade as the #1 has proven him so reliable in choking and shrinking, heads have given up on the What If that is "The Year Harden Delivers", and thus aren't passionate enough to toast him for being Playoff Harden anymore, least of all with KD/Embiid in the Captain's seat ahead of him.

I'm not debating how bad Giannis's injury was. I'm simply saying placing this series on him when he wasn't there for 60% of it to attempt to make the series what he needed it to be, is wrong. And calling for there to be a consensus opinion that it's all on him despite not playing 60% of it, is wrong.

The critiques you or anybody have for him, isn't my issue, because that's deserved. My issue is saying he's getting soft treatment when every thread title, opening post, and 50-80% of responses in said threads, focuses on Giannis.

Not Bud. Not Khris. Not Jrue. Not Lopez. The match that strikes the dry leaves, is the name Giannis. He's getting as much heat for this series, as he's supposed to get.

Talking about other years and his overall legacy/standing is an another and larger discussion.
 

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Bron didn't deserve that. One person experiencing wrong doesn't mean wrong needs to be continued and perpetuated.

And Giannis is not.

This Giannis thing is a referendum on how sports punditry selects heroes and losers

Winning a chip os hard...its 4 series...lots of things have to go right apart frpm individual excellence
 

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Steph is not the guy to juxtapose to Giannis in his times of falling short. At all lol. At best he catches heat that dissipates quicker than any of player of his level. Mainly for the "one team" shyt and being the Finals foil to Bron. He gets too much context allowed with him that others don't get outside of KD.

Harden, you specifically said the last 3 or so years. No, Harden in that time period has not gotten the heat you think Giannis isn't/should be getting in this time frame because 1) He hasn't been serving as the #1 player in his Nets/Sixers era, and 2) His near-decade as the #1 has proven him so reliable in choking and shrinking, heads have given up on the What If that is "The Year Harden Delivers", and thus aren't passionate enough to toast him for being Playoff Harden anymore, least of all with KD/Embiid in the Captain's seat ahead of him.

I'm not debating how bad Giannis's injury was. I'm simply saying placing this series on him when he wasn't there for 60% of it to attempt to make the series what he needed it to be, is wrong. And calling for there to be a consensus opinion that it's all on him despite not playing 60% of it, is wrong.

The critiques you or anybody have for him, isn't my issue, because that's deserved. My issue is saying he's getting soft treatment when every thread title, opening post, and 50-80% of responses in said threads, focuses on Giannis.

Not Bud. Not Khris. Not Jrue. Not Lopez. The match that strikes the dry leaves, is the name Giannis. He's getting as much heat for this series, as he's supposed to get.

Talking about other years and his overall legacy/standing is an another and larger discussion.
That's fair enough, saying his overall standing is a different, larger discussion...

I also think Bud is getting the appropriate blame for this series loss. The others, look we've known Middleton is a declining player all year, and he still had a great game. But he's not the Middleton of '21 backwards, so how much blame should we assign him?

Lopez played well throughout the series but it's 15 years watching him in this league, do we really expect Lopez to be the difference maker in wins and losses 🤣 that's the contrast for me, we expect Giannis to be the difference maker in wins and losses and he just wasn't. Lopez is a really good player whose had a late career resurgence and a really good series. He's not the guy we expect to close for us...

Now Jrue, I have mixed reviews on. He stepped up all year in Middleton's absence to float the Bucks, even when Giannis was out, so I think expectations were raised for him that he'd taken his game to another level. So for those with that line of thinking, Jrue was a letdown...

I didn't have a higher expectation bar for Jrue. He's had regular seasons where he's balled out his entire career, absent the star player (when AD would miss time in Nola), or even back to Philly. We as a culture have been calling him "underrated" for years, have been lauding his defense for years, none of the superlatives attached to his name this year are new...

For some reason they caught on more this year and the bar of expectation was raised for him...

He got absolutely torched as Butler's primary defender, and devolved into a disaster offensively. It was a bad series. He can get his share if blame for it. Here's the thing, though, when Milwaukee won it all two years ago, he was either their third or fourth best player, depending on how you weigh him and Lopez...

This is 14 years of watching Jrue's career. At best, if you have championship aspirations or are a contender, he can be your #3. At best. We know who he is. In this series he was instantly thrust inti a larger role given Giannis' G1 injury, and Middleton being the Middleton he's been all year, a player in decline...

So we were asking for Jrue to be the best or second best player this series, again his regular season probably raised expectations, but those shoes are simply too big for him---->and that was proven in the end. So I'd say we all should have saw it coming. Jrue can be the Jrue he's earned praise for over the years, when he's playing on bad or mid teams and putting up numbers with no pressure, or on a contender where the largest burdens are carried by guys who can handle the weight...

Jrue can't be the Jrue he's gotten praise for years as, if we're asking him to be our best offensive player and be serviceable vs the other team's best perimeter threat simultaneously. That's not his role, he's never had to be that on a contender, and clearly he doesn't need to have that responsibility, he can't do it. You can't help that Giannis got hurt------>but Giannis coming back strong the last two games is supposed to alleviate the pressure on everyone because we DO expect Giannis to show up big for us...

And then Bud leaving this man on his own to get shytted on game after game by Butler when he should've doubled and forced the other Heat to beat him is the issue too, so part of the Jrue equation still goes back to Giannis and Bud...

To be fair too, Butler was torching everyone, Giannis got some burn on him, he just wouldn't check him late which is another Giannis/Bud issue, but when he did guard Butler he got ate up. Middleton abd Lopez got run on Butler on switches and got destroyed. Bud watching this guy kill his entire team and not changing the approach is a problem...

And ultimately this vaunted Bucks defense that even I lauded this year turned out to be extremely overrated. Again this was an opponent missing its third best player and its 6th man, so yes while you had the Giannis injury, Giannis came back and came back strong---->Herro and Oladipo didn't, on a squad that was already worse than yours! This loss can be given to the collective overrated defense 10%, Jrue 5%, and Giannis/Bud splitting the remainder at 42.5% apiece, because again, Giannis came back in the series vs a weaker opponent, and came back hard...

He just did his habitual Giannis shyt in the clutch moments and he deserves every bit of criticism for that, because it's habitual, and he didn't come back averaging 15 points or something, he came back looking like Dominant, MVP-level Giannis......then turned back into Choking Giannis when the games got tight...

So does Giannis deserve all the blame? No...
 

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Safe to say knowing what the Heat have been doing in this playoff run that the Bucks loss wasn't the disaster it was made out to be :jbhmm:
 

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Coach still got fired after winning a championship just 2 years ago.
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