The DNC is colluding against Bernie

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what’s the popular vote count? Isn’t Joe in the lead now? After winning 1 state? It’s almost as if there were more people in SC than the other 3 states combined.

2 of the first 3 states were caucuses, they don't have the same vote turnout as primaries. Iowa and Nevada combined have 10 million more people than South Carolina, not to mention another 15 million in New Hampshire, but you can't just add up the popular votes from state to state because different voting systems result in completely different numbers.
 

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I've spent decades telling you you aren't shyt but I'd looooove to be your leader. That's Bernie Sanders' whole schtick. Would you want someone like that in a leadership position over you if he has spent his entire time in the business telling you you suck?

And I still haven't heard a viable reason dudes think Bernie can beat Trump. Why would his far left views appeal to middle of the road voters? To answer that question, you can't answer it from your personal standpoint. You have to strip away all of your knowledge and semantics first. Because that's how 80+% of the voting public rolls.

The answers I've gotten so far all come down to They'll do it because they are tired of Trump. I can tell you speaking with folks that people aren't as tired of him as you think. Run a moderate or get waxed.
 

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Quit spreading this foolishness. Bernie has spent his entire career presenting himself(and behaving) as an outsider. It's commendable. It's heroic. Only problem is this. If you're always the outsider you don't have folks fukking with you like that. That doesn't mean they conspired against you if they don't want you as CEO. It means you're not in the inner circle. By choice.

Bernie supporters are entitled as hell. You can't be the outsider and suddenly want insider perks. Life doesn't work like that.

My man really said they are buying folks off against Bernie. You dudes......


He really might have been better off doing this....only problem is like 85% of the voting public doesn't know the difference.

There is no chance Bernie can beat Trump. Trump knows this that's why he was telling folks to go vote for him in primaries and was breaking his neck to get dirt on Biden. You guys simply refuse to see what is in your face.
Ding ding ding.

You can run as a populist but to be successful, you better strong arm the shyt out of everyone in the party while capturing the essence of your voters in the process. Trump mastered that approach.

Bernie won't do that.
 

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Thought me Nevada was closer than that. Guess I was wrong.

But the point remains about the rest. Iowa was close as well New Hampshire. And again... When did black people become this radical? We've always been moderate. Nothing about Bernie says Moderate.

You don't think the CRM was radical? When MLK Jr. was talking about socialism and worker's rights and a War on Poverty and shytting on the USA in Vietnam, he wasn't being radical? He was way too radical for White folk and he was the MODERATE Black leader of the time.

When Jesse Jackson led the Rainbow Coalition in the 1980s, was he leading more Black folk than anyone else or not? Did more Black folk support his campaign or not? Was he not far more radical than the other presidential candidates?

Look at the Black politicians in office. Are they not way more likely to support reparations? Is that radical or not? Are they not way more likely to support universal health care, a living wage, criminal justice reform, felon voting rights, marijuana legalization...aren't those all radical ideas?


86% of Black voters support free college tuition, more than any other group

87% of Black voters "strongly" or "somewhat" support Medicare-for-All

93% of Black voters support raising the minimum wage to $15/hour

57% of Black voters think felons should get to vote, majority in all other groups are against it


Free college tuition, Medicare-for-All, a $15 minimum wage, and expansion of voting rights to felons and everyone else....those are Bernie's biggest ideas and the Black community supports ALL of them more than any other group does.
 
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Oh yeah they'll hammer away about the fears of socialism but I don't think its a SLAM DUNK approach to campaigning.

1. You are right...most americans are unaware of communism. But I think American's naturally gravitate to someone that can talk about what they *for* as opposed to what they are *against*. I think Bernie's message of healthcare cost, wages, and student debt resonate with a shyt ton of American's and when it comes down to opposign his ideas...you can only use the Venezuela, USSR, etc. argument for so long.

At some point you have to answer...well...what's your plan to address these problems Trump?

And at some point you also have to ask, how exactly do you plan to pay for all of this.

Right now most people who are supporting Bernie are doing so because they think that all of the "free" things he's promising won't affect them financially. They actually believe he can accomplish all of these things by just taxing the rich. So far he hasn't been pressed to give specifics on how this will work.

I just had a discussion with a guy the other day and I had to pull up the video of Bernie saying out of his own mouth that there would be a progressive increase in taxes for anyone making over $29,000. In his mind taxing the rich would pay for everything.

And using those countries is fair game because they all started off as "revolutions" that were supposed to provide a better life for their people until they burned through the money and left their economies in ruin. That's a fair comparison to make with the promises being made
 

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Sanders shouldn't have hijacked the Dem platform. He's not a Dem. Run as a Dem Socialist.
People really act like these parties are some exclusive clubs and not publicly elected officials.

:stopitslime:

I'm not a Democrat, and I dont give a fukk if Bernie isn't one either. His ideas sound the best so that's who I'm supporting.

How many dem candidates use to be Republican? Hillary, warren, Bloomberg were all Republicans at some point and that gay dude might as well be a Republican cause he acted like one as mayor. But I'm supposed to care about bernie being an independent? I'm an independent, that's a plus for me.
 

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I've spent decades telling you you aren't shyt but I'd looooove to be your leader. That's Bernie Sanders' whole schtick. Would you want someone like that in a leadership position over you if he has spent his entire time in the business telling you you suck?

And I still haven't heard a viable reason dudes think Bernie can beat Trump. Why would his far left views appeal to middle of the road voters? To answer that question, you can't answer it from your personal standpoint. You have to strip away all of your knowledge and semantics first. Because that's how 80+% of the voting public rolls.

The answers I've gotten so far all come down to They'll do it because they are tired of Trump. I can tell you speaking with folks that people aren't as tired of him as you think. Run a moderate or get waxed.

here is one.

Your dumb bytch ass thinks he can't win without appealing to middle of the road voters while trump is literally burning the middle of the road and banking 100% of his BASE AND HIS BASE ALONE. He could give a shyt about moderation yet if he is favored, you clearly think moderation won't win.

It's one or the other. You can't say trump will beat bernie because bernie cant court moderates while trump doesnt give a fukk about moderates but then on the flip side say moderates can beat trump and worry about liberals not showing up making moderates lose.

Both can't be the reality.
 

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his platform isn't even that radical in the grand scheme of things.

Thought me Nevada was closer than that. Guess I was wrong.

But the point remains about the rest. Iowa was close as well New Hampshire. And again... When did black people become this radical? We've always been moderate. Nothing about Bernie says Moderate.
 

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People really act like these parties are some exclusive clubs and not publicly elected officials.

:stopitslime:

I'm not a Democrat, and I dont give a fukk if Bernie isn't one either. His ideas sound the best so that's who I'm supporting.
When you run on a party ticket, you are using their resources to gain voters. So yes, it is sort of a club.

If Bernie did not want to be in the club and not use the resources, he would've run as an independent.
 
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