The Downfall of HipHop began when...
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NobodyReally
Superstar
First, I don't think real hip hop will ever die, but the mass commercialization and dumbed down lyrics really took off when Hammer hit the scene and blew up. I think a lot of rappers understood the danger of his crossover success and the pressure to appeal to wider audiences with a catchy chorus and no real verses, hence the backlash he endured.
-when biggie and pac died, shyt opened up the lane for lame ass nikkas to come in like hawks and swoop in and try grab a piece of their legacy
-when the south started getting heavy mainstream exposures, i'm sorry but you can't deny this
all the trashy era's of rap originated from the south. crunk, autotune, ringtone, trap. all that nonsense came from there at least up here even when it was just boring ass boombap and soul samples a majority of the artist tried to bring substance to the game. the south did have some swangin times like that h-town chopped and screwed ish and but all that other shyt
. don't get me wrong there are southern rappers that can spit (THE GOAT JAY ELECTRONICA) but all these mainstream cats tried to be like and copy each other and left room for no substantial progress.
-gangsta rap, don't deny this also when nikkas thought it was cool to sell drugs, gangbang, and kill kill kill murder murder murder you could already tell that this shyt was not going to go places, now before you get mad i fukk with gangsta rap 
but the gangsta rap y'all nikkas promoted was just dry, boring, and tasteless you had nikkas like 50 cent, plies, e40, the game (i fukk with him when he don't do that gangsta shyt), rick ross, all them nikkas should have not been handed the mic (yes i know why i included 50 cents 
lets be real his music was pretty subpar i don't know why y'all nikkas think he was legendary) i can name a bunch of new school cats that do this gangsta rapping shyt better than all them like gibbs, j.rock, Q, pusha T, and shyt even the old nikkas were and are still better than some of those cats like scarface, NWA, ghostface, raekwon, UGK
-when we let white rappers be the poster boy for an all black genre not pointing fingers at eminem but lets not act like he didn't have a hand, when vanilla ice came on i doubt people took him seriously, and thank god they didn't but once eminem REALLY got put on it was a wrap. notice how if you ask every white kid who the best rapper is the first person to name is em, but with black kid you'll will hear a multitude of names from em, to pac, to hov, to big l, to nas, etc. em gave these white kids a reason to listen to rap if they weren't doing so before which just made the image of it worse because a majority of his content was just straight horrorcore for some time and that was terrible representation of the genre as a whole
-y'all nikkas pointing fingers at kanye like
nah son kanye brought LIFE to something that was dying thank him, you know how bland and boring music was at that time he came up,
i quit listening to music for sometime because i was tired of listening to this wackass shyt. i say it all the time kanye > 50 no contest
-also crossing of genres, we let pop and rnb cross in. that should have been a no no. inb4 kanye the only non-hiphop album he has is 808s and he even states that it was never supposed to be a hiphop
-when the south started getting heavy mainstream exposures, i'm sorry but you can't deny this
all the trashy era's of rap originated from the south. crunk, autotune, ringtone, trap. all that nonsense came from there at least up here even when it was just boring ass boombap and soul samples a majority of the artist tried to bring substance to the game. the south did have some swangin times like that h-town chopped and screwed ish and but all that other shyt. don't get me wrong there are southern rappers that can spit (THE GOAT JAY ELECTRONICA) but all these mainstream cats tried to be like and copy each other and left room for no substantial progress.-gangsta rap, don't deny this also
when nikkas thought it was cool to sell drugs, gangbang, and kill kill kill murder murder murder you could already tell that this shyt was not going to go places, now before you get mad i fukk with gangsta rap but the gangsta rap y'all nikkas promoted was just dry, boring, and tasteless you had nikkas like 50 cent, plies, e40, the game (i fukk with him when he don't do that gangsta shyt), rick ross, all them nikkas should have not been handed the mic (yes i know why i included 50 cents lets be real his music was pretty subpar i don't know why y'all nikkas think he was legendary) i can name a bunch of new school cats that do this gangsta rapping shyt better than all them like gibbs, j.rock, Q, pusha T, and shyt even the old nikkas were and are still better than some of those cats like scarface, NWA, ghostface, raekwon, UGK-when we let white rappers be the poster boy for an all black genre not pointing fingers at eminem but lets not act like he didn't have a hand, when vanilla ice came on i doubt people took him seriously, and thank god they didn't but once eminem REALLY got put on it was a wrap. notice how if you ask every white kid who the best rapper is the first person to name is em, but with black kid you'll will hear a multitude of names from em, to pac, to hov, to big l, to nas, etc. em gave these white kids a reason to listen to rap if they weren't doing so before which just made the image of it worse because a majority of his content was just straight horrorcore for some time and that was terrible representation of the genre as a whole
-y'all nikkas pointing fingers at kanye like
nah son kanye brought LIFE to something that was dying thank him, you know how bland and boring music was at that time he came up, i quit listening to music for sometime because i was tired of listening to this wackass shyt. i say it all the time kanye > 50 no contest-also crossing of genres, we let pop and rnb cross in. that should have been a no no. inb4 kanye the only non-hiphop album he has is 808s and he even states that it was never supposed to be a hiphop
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Black_Jesus
Superstar
When mothafukkas started stealing music off the internet... Lead to low record sales, which lead to a lack of creative control the artists previously had and it also lead to the mixtape era, which the South had on lock.. which lead to everyone biting the south
Jayz Nas are Nas identity, last i checked there still rapping and 1 is selling more then any south rapper
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iFightSeagullsForBread
The Working Class Hero
The Puffy shiny suit era
The rise of No Limit/Cash Money Millionaire styled pop rap (not shytting on these brothers per se)
Beef DVD
Nelly (per se)
Snap Crunk and Limewire era.
The rise of No Limit/Cash Money Millionaire styled pop rap (not shytting on these brothers per se)
Beef DVD
Nelly (per se)
Snap Crunk and Limewire era.
Farrinto
Who's the best MCs? Biggie, Jay-Z, and Nas
R&B is pretty much dead at this point too.
MR. Conclusion
All Star
I blame Puff. I think the shiny suit era was the first sign of the downfall.
I knew it at the time. This is the correct answer.
But the south helped finish the deal.
Scientific
Bacdafucup
It was a slow decline. Coming from the South, I can understand why folks hated on the sound, but they overlooked how organic it was. If it was hot in the streets, it was hot in the clubs. It was a very basic but true formula, whether people liked it or not. So on that end I'll never understand why the South would be blamed.
To me, it was when the "viral" rapper became a hit, and it didn't help they came from down here. Factor in the other changes in trend and social norms, and its where we're at today.
To me, it was when the "viral" rapper became a hit, and it didn't help they came from down here. Factor in the other changes in trend and social norms, and its where we're at today.
2smooth
Rookie
when they took da dj out of it........no mo cuttin and scratchin
Master P , Juvi,Cash money No Limit , that whole shyt was the beginning