The Downfall of HipHop began when...
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Roman Brady
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Why stop there why not say when whites became the primary consumers
ps y'all mentioning stuff like this, when run teamed with aerosmith or when sugar hill gang released their song
crack me up. How could the downfall have begun years before the boom period? 
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Beat me to it.
Black people need to OWN their labor or anything we create is at the mercy of Whites.
Sure can.
Because almost 20 years ago, there were people already being nostalgic for the old days, and there always will be. Everybody remembers their coming-of-age years fondly, no matter how older muhfukkas view those years. I just turned 35... you think someone who's 55 years old now EVER gave a shyt about the Gravediggaz and shyt like that I was listenin' to in '94? We can say that new shyt is wack or whatever, but there's a whole generation that feels differently.
wrong check the numbers. its not a ton of different ones that are at the top. its like 3. and 2 of them are aiming at the south, no limit and laffy taffy. post tupacs death..the south took over. What am i getting at? The south is what i'm getting at. once the south started to take over the game. they themselves destroyed their own ability to be different (outkast, 8ball & mjg, UGK, scarface, ghetto boys) all sounded different. i know thats different eras. not the point. they all sounded different.some of them were within or crossed over into the same eras. these were classic southern artist. and then every song became a ringtone song. because every new artist tried to make a hit vs trying to make a solid album. that was the beginning of the end.
wrong.
you dont realize. the late 80's, 90's were the GOLDEN era. every Genre has one. that was hiphops. that means the stuff that came before it was its growth, which is also great to see. but the other side of a golden era. is a lose, a negative. its less quality, to less quality, to less quality. no one will think about this era 20 years from now in a good way. they may say Jcole was cool, kl was cool. but thats about it. what will be said about this era is "yall remembered when hiphop was terrible? no one in their right mind will look back on this time in hiphop as a good thing.
Roman Brady
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That was something different, thats about holding on to a simpler time. If you talked to those cats today they'll say they were reactionary and complaining for the sake of it their was quality being released they just didnt want to listen. There isnt "any" quality today not 1 artist at all.
He might not like gravediggaz but what would a 55 year old have against tribe OR common sense? wasnt PE and EPMD still doing things in 94? there was something for even the most prejudice listeners AND OLD TIMERS were no exception. Do you honestly think those old r&b sample didnt suck some senior citizens in? there was something for all taste the same cant be said now
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Bruh... I lived that whole era. Yeap, you right- it was the golden era. If no one else understands, trust me, I understand.
It's an era that'll always be acknowledged as the greatest era in hip-hop. By us, by media, by artists, etc...
But guess what? There's an entire generation of people who lived before and after that timeframe...
...who don't give a shyt about it.
And I know that's crazy to imagine. But it's true.
There's people who didn't even care for rap AT ALL. Even during our beloved golden era. Because it didn't speak to them, or the era in which they grew up. They don't care how great Nas was, or the beats RZA made, or how popular Snoop was... they weren't listenin' to that shyt.
There are also kids who only know these dudes as oldheads. They've never seen them in their prime, and even if they caught their old shyt on MTVJams or whatever, they wouldn't watch it all the way thru cause it's old.
No matter how great we think that was, or how wack we think the new shyt is... time don't stop, time don't wait. I'm glad I grew up in it, cause if I was 16 years old right now, I MORE THAN LIKELY wouldn't know shyt about most of it. You couldn't pay me to be a teenager in 2014, listenin' to some of these nikkas they like. But reality tells me the same thing that's always been true. Young people love this shyt and will love it even more when they're older... us older people, not so much. Been happenin' that way since forever ago.
malbaker86
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That period in the mid 2000's when tryna beef for publicity became played out
Roman Brady
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Do you have kids or nieces/nephews? because if you did I think you would have to rethink that. The youngsters today aint going to remember any of todays trash in 5 years let alone 20. Call it a byproduct of not listening to an album and instead d/l singles. Nothing is sacred like that to these pups its all about instant gratification and when the thrill is gone its
Roman Brady
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All roads lead somewhere here because since then things became intolerable whereas before it no matter how bad ppl said things were we still had classics, the game didnt seem so dead
Do you have kids or nieces/nephews? because if you did I think you would have to rethink that. The youngsters today aint going to remember any of todays trash in 5 years let alone 20. Call it a byproduct of not listening to an album and instead d/l singles. Nothing is sacred like that to these pups its all about instant gratification and when the thrill is gone its
This is the same argument every generation has had about every generation after it.
"That rap stuff... it ain't never gonna last... you'll see... just a bunch of noise... that stuff here today, gone tomorrow..."
Roman Brady
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The difference between that generation and us is they hated music that was still hip hop. The mainstream stuff today is not, you cant do that whats good for the goose is good for the gander here for that reason alone
Not true at all.
Let me explain.
you ever heard of John Coltraine? Were you a teen or adult during his prime? NOPE. but guess what. because your parents told you. how great john was. you believe it. because EVERYONE said so. Then you have the ability to go back and listen to his music. you may even like current jazz. but you can tell the difference. wow that dude JC was a great.. a legend. he's better then what i currently like. even though its old school. and think, the internet is here to stay. these kids know all about the old heads eras. They can google anything and be put up on anyone or anything. we didnt have that luxury to that extent.
If i say yall only know LL the old head version. but let me show you this
i could put my little niece up on the WU
You couldnt do this before the internet. sure you could try to find that album or tape or maybe even the CD. but if you didnt have it. you woud've had to go out find it and buy it. its to easy now. you can just hit youtube, google and bam. all their songs, all their videos. all of their interviews. their entire life story is on there.
thats why when young heads finally check out these old heads in their prime. they admit "ok, i see why yall old heads call it the golden era" your ear will always recognize greatness. old or new. Its a reason why that Michael jackson can come on right now and we are all bobbying our heads. that old issh is still dope. great is great. but so so in an era will become horrible as the years go on. wack will remain wack forever. no one will look at this era now as a great or good time in hiphop. it aint happening.
Every single artist know this and says as much not just old heads. you did not hear these greats talking about their own favorite genre when they were in their pimes doing it back in the 80's and 90's. you hear current rappers admitting "well it might not be as good as it was but we out here.." thats a confession right there. lol
Roman Brady
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who is admitting that?