The Dream: ''1 illegal download effects 3,000 people''

[Flav]

im going to download his album for the fukk of it and just trash bin that shyt.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

well, let him this ONE guy said fukk them other 3k...it's a reason why I don't have this Duncan Hines moist ass muthafukka in my iPod

 

[rapbeats]

If one illegal download truly affects 3000 people than go independent my nikka

and i see you didnt watch the entire video. notice before he said that. he said thats why he would have a team with 2 people. him and one other person, writing and making music and thats it. cause he cant afford to pay everyone else like it has been done in the past.

lets be clear. the entire "go independent" thing is not what you think it is.

i dont shoot myself in the video. if i'm the artist. i dont necessarily have a talent for making my own music. so i need a producer/producers to do it for me. i need a camera man. a director with good direction on where this video should go. i might not be good at that kind of stuff. even if i knew the basics. doesnt mean i have a knack for it. i'm just an artist. i'm not a marketing degree holder. those people went to school for years for a reason. they know more then you about marketing(most times).

and just for the record 80% of the people you think just went viral with a song or a video. didnt just GO viral. they PAID to have someone rig the system to make it SEEM as if they went viral. so then they can get 100,000 hits on their youtube page. so now its trending. so now you or I take a look at it. so forth and so on. thats marketing as well.

what dream said is probably accurate you do effect a good 3k if you reallly break down how everyone is involved in making an artist successful.

now is it solely about downloads? no. but its like he said, its a combination of downloading on the illegal tip. while new young artists are all up on the mixtape aka give it to you for free... thing. which means the fans will get use to listening to FREE MUSIC even legally. if you keep doing that, no one will ever want to spend money on the music they hear. and will just wait for the next FREE mixtape.

yall mixtaped yallselves out of real money to some degree.

 

[infamousred]

it's already a known fact that artists make the majority of their money off of touring and merchandise. on top of that, they have have studied the effects of downloading and it has showed that more people actually will go out and buy an album after they download it. basically, they showed that i believe it was a 30-40% amount of people went out and bought the album, vs not checking for them at all, if it weren't for the internet.

 

[KillSpray]

Now a days there's different revenue streams not available "15 years" ago. shyt French Montana made 100k last year from Pandora w/ no album out. Spotify just got bought by google for billions. The Dream will be alright.

Where you get that French pandora figure from?

 

[KillSpray]

My man Chris Anderson broke it down perfectly as to what's going on right now. In the past production and distribution cost was so high, the money men were the gate keepers deciding what we see. The Internet and technology destroyed that system. Now the whole market is re adjusting, but we don't have the new gate keepers yet to filter out the trash and feed the specific fans of each thing. Once technology and new businesses figure out how to connect fans with the right content in a simpler way, everything will settle back down again. Right now it's like the Wild West out here, no one has really figured it out, even spotify is still a mess to navigate and find the shyt you want. Pandora has come a long way, it's still gotta tie that in with the spotify concept. When the industry reboots it's gonna be

 

[Chris.B]

lol at buying an album

 

[villain]

what's the difference between simply not buying the album and downloading it illegally?

in each situation they don't get your money.

What they basically saying is that by not buying albums (whether downloading or just not listening at all) and helping the culture-raping labels recoup their investment, you're hurting them. To which I gotta say:

 

[L&HH]

Where you get that French pandora figure from?

From the nikka who founded Pandora himself, written last October.

Have you heard of Donnie McClurkin, French Montana or Grupo Bryndis? If you haven’t you’re not alone. They are artists whose sales ranks on Amazon are 4,752, 17,000 and 183,187, respectively. These are all working artists who live well outside the mainstream – no steady rotation on broadcast radio, no high profile opening slots on major tours, no front page placement in online retail. What they also have in common is a steady income from Pandora. In the next twelve months Pandora is on track to pay performance fees of $100,228, $138,567 and $114,192, respectively, for the music we play to their large and fast-growing audiences on Pandora.

For reference Wayne and Drake were making 3milly

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. For over two thousand artists Pandora will pay over $10,000 dollars each over the next 12 months (including one of my favorites, the late jazz pianist Oscar Peterson), and for more than 800 we’ll pay over $50,000, more than the income of the average American household. For top earners like Coldplay, Adele, Wiz Khalifa, Jason Aldean and others Pandora is already paying over $1 million each. Drake and Lil Wayne are fast approaching a $3 million annual rate each.

Pandora and Artist Payments |

The same technology that made it possible for ppl to "illegal" download is making it possible for them to get revenue in other areas as well. The above is just Pandora, what happens when you add up the numbers from Spotify, Youtube/Vevo, Vimeo. There's a reason why Billboard is incorporating these views into artists ranking on their charts.

like you just said @KillSpray the cost of making an album is significantly lower than what it used to be. If you an artist not making no money off music in 2013 nikkas just aint feeling yo shyt and it would have been no different back in '95

 

[KillSpray]

From the nikka who founded Pandora himself, written last October.



For reference Wayne and Drake were making 3milly




Pandora and Artist Payments |

The same technology that made it possible for ppl to "illegal" download is making it possible for them to get revenue in other areas as well. The above is just Pandora, what happens when you add up the numbers from Spotify, Youtube/Vevo, Vimeo. There's a reason why Billboard is incorporating these views into artists ranking on their charts.

like you just said @KillSpray the cost of making an album is significantly lower than what it used to be. If you an artist not making no money off music in 2013 nikkas just aint feeling yo shyt and it would have been no different back in '95

Just learned something new

 

[Pazzy]

nobody in their right mind is going to pay 16 dollars to hear this wannabe singer singing on autotune. i see folks in here all excited about this inability to sing clown. dude has NO business behind a mic. it irks me to see some of these folks really cocky to the point where they think they can make the transition from producer where they make one or two beats or write a hit or two for another artist then suddenly, they think they're r&b. how many half assed singers do we have that did that shyt because they can't fukking sing? akon, neyo, t-pain, ryan leslie, this fool... these dudes LITERALLY killed whatever was left of the r&b circuit. they paved the way for even worse singers that can't even hit a note to save their life-the weeknd.

and you folks will once again gas them up. shows who really listens or fukks with r&b.

 

[Kalik]

Just learned something new

Yeah didn't realize Pandora was paying these dudes...

 

[Awesome Wells]

He's right though.

One link feeds a whole neighborhood now. LOL!!

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

artist making excuses for making wack shyt

at the height of file sharing when the average joe new how to work napster, kazaa, morphues, limewire, and all that other shyt, muthafukkaz was still going platinum.

Nowadays the average person doesn't know how to get free music nor has the time to search it the out, they'd rather just buy the song they like on itunes or get the some kind of subscription service like sony's music unlimited

Bottom line is if you build it they will come, the industry A&R's and execs have failed their business, they've failed to build artist, and cultivate talent. Failed to create or discover stars who can generate interest. They have no one to blame but themselves.

How many years has it been since we seen a talent of Michael Jackson's
no fukk that we don't even have to reach that high to mega star
how many years has been since we seen a talent of R. Kelly's level

The music industry is filled with a bunch of low talent hacks who want to be stars, and until somebody regulates this shyt and gets all these bums out of the way or behind the scenes allowing the true stars to shine the industry will continue to fall into the abyss.

all the new nikkaz giving away shyt for free, because thats the only way people would even give that garbage a listen

Agree with the majority but the bolded is just partially true. The whole culture has been changed. If you wanted a whole album back then it was a task a major task. NOW,someone says "leaked" 2 weeks before the album is at retail and the vultures swarm and get it. I believe what you're saying is true for singles though. Now the whole culture of going to a record store is all but dead. Also it's waaaaaaaaay easier to find a obscure song on youtube than it was on morpheus etc back in the days.

 

[Rell]

I feel terrible. I've shattered millions of lives.