Mr Hate Coffee
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I haven’t watched the video but people in this country have this problem where if a solution doesn’t solve for 100% of the problems they throw it out entirely.
The fact Killer Mike's rules of how Black America can save itself is actually controversial speaks volumes.
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I haven’t watched the video but people in this country have this problem where if a solution doesn’t solve for 100% of the problems they throw it out entirely.
This isn't a solution. more of a criticism. which is fine. but ultimately amounts to nothing. Now if he was advocating that a politician support a specific measure or push through a specific bill of some sort he might get somewhere.
but ultimately all he said was, if black people were more successful there would be less unsuccessful black people. and people are treating like he dropped some profound knowledge on our heads.
Mr Hate Coffee
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Even if you don’t agree with Killer Mike, the answer can’t be “wait for white people to do the right thing and help us”
At least he’s proposing a mindset that a black person can control and adopt TODAY
At least he’s proposing a mindset that a black person can control and adopt TODAY
Real change comes from actual literal change, things that affect a large group of people on a large scale.
Expecting each individual to suddenly be Russel Simmons on their own, just off the strength of good advice is a far less realistic approach towards real change on a wide scale.
Field Marshall Bradley
Veteran
Forget change, we’re not even stable. Killa Mike is making suggestions that could help stabilize our situation to some degree.
Suggestions people have made to the community since forever. Do better
its like telling a fat person they need to get more exercise. they are probably well aware of that already.
telling them to hit the gym likely doesn't address any of the personal issues affecting them that prevent them from hitting the gym.
would be better to offer to go the gym with them and help encourage them through their workout. assist them with meal prep so they eat heathier etc.
basically take real actions. instead of just stating the obvious and expecting that people will be on some "why didnt i think that?" eureka moment and suddenly change their life.
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It wasn’t a criticism.
He said the keys to success were
Go to school/college
Learn a trade
Invest
Don’t have kids out of wedlock
Live below your means
And he didn’t say it in a condescending, sarcastic manner. The only thing that COULD be considered even a bit critical is when he said no deity or leader is coming to save us, and thats just the honest truth
People in this thread are confusing two things: getting financially stable and closing the wealth gap. They are not the same.
Killer Mike's tips are good for individual and family getting financially stable.
However, there are only four real ways to close the wealth gap and having a good job and degree isn't one:
1. Blacks must invest our wealth in assets or investments and receive a greater ROI than the national average for many years. Having a higher savings rate could allow us to get lower returns since more of our earnings are invested.
2. Black productivity must increase faster than the national average and Black employees must derive an equal or greater share of those productivity gains than the average American worker
3. Outside entities invest in Black Americans in a way that allows us to build assets rapidly. Private or government
4. Government redistribution (reparations)
That's it folks. Stable Black families are necessary to pool resources to get assets and education allows better investing but if you don't fulfill one of the four criteria above you are just juelzing on closing the wealth gap
That’s all that really matters to the individual/family. The aggregate wealth gap is distorted because it includes the super wealthy which are almost all white.
Indians and Korean households are out earning white households, but the aggregate wealth gap is enormous.
Marc Spector
the 4'11 Cuban
This is my stance as well. Nearly every point in FDs video was correct and I applaud the guy for offering another viewpoint on stuff that is not covered in school or in the media or stuff that you have hunt through the annals of the Internet fo find.
Be that as it may, I feel the same way. Even in the Black Conservative video, FD says that we cant Capitalist our way to liberation and that a huge upend of the system would have to take place in order to truly uplift Black people. Fine, but I think that great revolution is never going to happen.
I think the sheer diversity of population in the US makes mobilizing enough force next to impossible. I think the US billing itself as the land of opportunity so mobilizing say first and second gen immigrants (who would be necessary in such a effort) isnt really an option as they fled their homelands to get away from fighting. I also think that the Right has the market cornered on violence being on the table (and it has to be an option) and the Left is far too soft and comfortable to truly have leverage. I could go on.
Point is, people have to have something to strive for just to survive and thats where I think finding some space to survive in our flawed, corrupt system is the way to go even if it means you gotta "boostrap" your way there.
People just want to feel superior to the next person even if its the most basic thing uttered
Of course this convo could easily be boiled down to cold hard truth: that nobody really listens to what rappers has to say. I mean i’ve heard brehs outside liquor stores say these exact same thing but no applause for them
DrBanneker
Space is the Place
Aggregate yes, if they are using median household wealth the distortion is a lot less and there is still a gap there.
Did you really just say having a good job and degree isn't a real way to close the wealth gap but then bring up investinng wealth into assets or investments?
How do you do those things without a good job?
Let me be clear. Having a good job and degree is necessary to keep the wealth gap from increasing since without education our productivity lags and we have a bigger wealth gap.
HOWEVER, if you have $200k of student loan and car debt, you can be a nice educated two-parent family with negative net assets and contributing nada to closing the wealth gap. A family with a plumber dad and a wife that works in a warehouse with no debt and ample savings to invest are closing the wealth gap. There are a lot of factors at play. I wouldn't be shocked if part of the issue is educated Black folks have some of the highest student debt of anyone because our families are overall less financially able to just pay for college out of pocket.
A lot of wealth White folks had was acquired on the cheap decades ago and passed down. Black people are trying to catch up at a time when household debt and asset prices are at historic peaks. So having a good job and education is not by itself enough. I would say its close to necessary though.
What FD never seems to acknowledge is that "voting for the right candidate" won't liberate folks either.
The thing that kills me about most of these fake socialists/communists/progressives/liberals - is that they could spend their time talking about worker cooperatives and building democratic work places - especially the black ones. They prefer intersectionality, they prefer to watch old movies from a Black Feminist perspective, they prefer to talk about US imperialism.
What they don't prefer is talking about solutions.
They don't prefer taking action.
The Basque Ethnic minority pooled their resources post Spanish Civil War, and created a factory, which created more factories, more distribution, more warehouses, and then schools, banks, insurance and health systems.
Mondragon is a huge socialist success story.
Mondragon Corporation - Wikipedia
If you talk about Black people doing this, you're an out of touch person that worships capitalism.
These people are literally ops, and they've been educated and often financed by the same people that fund the insane Black right wingers.
Field Marshall Bradley
Veteran
Exactly. These things keeps getting suggested for very legit reasons cause we need to do better in following the principles suggested. The rest of your post is irrelevant
For those who keep stating that laws and policies need to be implemented in order for true change to occur.
Do ya think these institutions founded and powered by white people who care about delf will truely follow these laws and policies?
Does the justice system treat every one the same?
Does the IRS and SS audits everyone the same?
Does the DHS monitor everyone the same?
Does the FDIC regulate these banks the same?
Lets be real here. Sometimes If we have to cut corners, we do it. shyt its how we get by for the mean time anyway. Scam. Cheat. Whatever. We do it. We find ways to circumvent the system. We just never got put on game
Do ya think these institutions founded and powered by white people who care about delf will truely follow these laws and policies?
Does the justice system treat every one the same?
Does the IRS and SS audits everyone the same?
Does the DHS monitor everyone the same?
Does the FDIC regulate these banks the same?
Lets be real here. Sometimes If we have to cut corners, we do it. shyt its how we get by for the mean time anyway. Scam. Cheat. Whatever. We do it. We find ways to circumvent the system. We just never got put on game
