The Failure of Public Schooling in One Chart

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you white people and your romanticizing of 1950.

Stop with the low information millitancy..this isnt about Race..its about education

look at this 1912 8th grade exam for example...Modern college graduates would fail it in shocking numbers

Read the prose of people like Fredric Douglass ...self educated escaped slave and he had superior rhetoric and wrote better than 90% of the current literature graduates..an this wasnt a one off thing many of the old time writings are superior in Reasoning ,Vocabulary,Prose ..damn near everything.

 

[EndDomination]

Stop with the low information millitancy..this isnt about Race..its about education

look at this 1912 8th grade exam for example...Modern college graduates would fail it in shocking numbers

Read the prose of people like Fredric Douglass ...self educated escaped slave and he had superior rhetoric and wrote better than 90% of the current literature graduates..an this wasnt a one off thing many of the old time writings are superior in Reasoning ,Vocabulary,Prose ..damn near everything.

Your romanticism is silly.
Bullitt Schools weren't public schools, they were little one-room rural schools put into place for this "once a year" examination.
You could teach the entirety of this chart to a 7th grader in about a week, it'd be like using the LSAT as a standard for all college students.
The wording has changed, the benchmarks have changed, etc.
And you're just pontificating after that, writing styles have long since changed, I'm sure you could get 95% of Columbia's English Masters students to write in an exaggerated antiquated way, and they'd have no issue with it.

 

[hashmander]

that kind of bullshyt gets thrown around by your types with regularity. the only thing exams like that are reflective of is what was being drilled into those students at that time in history in preparation for that exam.

here is an 1895 exam.
1895 Exam

i guess they were smarter than the kids in 1912. any progress we've made is apparently just dumb luck because we're getting dumber over time and not simply discarding things that aren't useful for our time.

 

[Serious]

@theworldismine13

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

Your romanticism is silly.
Bullitt Schools weren't public schools, they were little one-room rural schools put into place for this "once a year" examination.
You could teach the entirety of this chart to a 7th grader in about a week, it'd be like using the LSAT as a standard for all college students.
The wording has changed, the benchmarks have changed, etc.
And you're just pontificating after that, writing styles have long since changed, I'm sure you could get 95% of Columbia's English Masters students to write in an exaggerated antiquated way, and they'd have no issue with it.

Look how disingenuous you have to get to make your point .."English masters students" People who have spent about 22+ years in the educational system...

and the notion that you should teach an exam so that the child passes is the kind of rote memorization that i suspect is part of the problem..instead of kids having an expansive knowledge-base and the mental tools like logic,analysis and research so they can deal with any test.

Education has become dumbed down...We can debate the extent or the causes but its pretty obvious to anyone that shyts gotten worse..lets not pretend it hasnt

 

[Serious]

Stop with the low information millitancy..this isnt about Race..its about education

look at this 1912 8th grade exam for example...Modern college graduates would fail it in shocking numbers

Read the prose of people like Fredric Douglass ...self educated escaped slave and he had superior rhetoric and wrote better than 90% of the current literature graduates..an this wasnt a one off thing many of the old time writings are superior in Reasoning ,Vocabulary,Prose ..damn near everything.

This is a whole lot easier than those poll tax exams, that needed to be completed in 20 minutes

 

[David_TheMan]

Look how disingenuous you have to get to make your point .."English masters students" People who have spent about 22+ years in the educational system...

and the notion that you should teach an exam so that the child passes is the kind of rote memorization that i suspect is part of the problem..instead of kids having an expansive knowledge-base and the mental tools like logic,analysis and research so they can deal with any test.

Education has become dumbed down...We can debate the extent or the causes but its pretty obvious to anyone that shyts gotten worse..lets not pretend it hasnt

Yeah education became dumbed down with the compulsory education movement, by its very nature it had to produce for the lowest denominator instead of previous education centering on those who showed the mental acumen to actually be successful with the rigors of having to learn greek or latin, memorize the historic texts, and learn how to properly debate and reason on logic and not on emotion

I guess that was the purpose of the compulsory education movement though, to dumb down education and make factories for teaching kids "the right things to think" more than actually providing top notch education to those who attend the schools.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Defense spending includes all federal spending for national defense, DOD and civilian, but excludes veterans affairs. Public school spending includes all government expenditures (federal, state, and local) for public schools elementary through high school. All education spending includes public school spending plus expenditures for private primary and secondary schools and for private and public post-secondary institutions. All figures adjusted for inflation (expressed in 2013 $)
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Money being spent isn't the problem.

I find it hard to believe that a grown man actually wrote this article, and probably had this published with a smug look on his face.
He adjusted it for "inflation" but didn't adjust it for what is essentially "COL" in the form of educational resources.
The difference between the cost in 1970 and 2016 likely has a lot to do with things like "computers," "Internet," "new courses," etc. It also has a lot to do with an increase in staffing, the largest of which should be focused at the lower-levels Pre-K through 5th Grade.
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And what about an overall increase in the population. They're more kids to teach. Way more.

 

[David_TheMan]

And what about an overall increase in the population. They're more kids to teach. Way more.

Per-pupil education spending has steadily increased
The amount spent per pupil on education in the United States has increased by over 30 percent since the mid-1990s. Today the U.S. spends approximately $10,000 annually per K-12 student.
Per-pupil expenditures, in constant 2009–2010 dollars

 

[Misanthrope]

Yeah education became dumbed down with the compulsory education movement, by its very nature it had to produce for the lowest denominator instead of previous education centering on those who showed the mental acumen to actually be successful with the rigors of having to learn greek or latin, memorize the historic texts, and learn how to properly debate and reason on logic and not on emotion

I guess that was the purpose of the compulsory education movement though, to dumb down education and make factories for teaching kids "the right things to think" more than actually providing top notch education to those who attend the schools.

Ok, so what do you do with the stupid kids? Farming's dead and so is manpower-intensive industry.

And who gets to decide who gets a real education and who doesn't? You know what cacs are going to say when it's time to judge whether black children get to have this super-education.

 

[blotter]

Diet is a huge issue

The fact that our society doesn't recognize the importance of nursing(only cluntry wih no guaranteed leave) holding infants, early development, teaching children how to listen to their heart like other cultures hold us back

 

[David_TheMan]

Ok, so what do you do with the stupid kids? Farming's dead and so is manpower-intensive industry.

And who gets to decide who gets a real education and who doesn't? You know what cacs are going to say when it's time to judge whether black children get to have this super-education.

Parents of those kids decide what to do with THEIR children.
That said vocational routes would probably explode in the absence of compulsory education and government schooling.

Why do you talk like white people have a stranglehold on education and teaching, they don't and they never have, which is why they would try their hardest to stop blacks from self educating.

 

[EndDomination]

Look how disingenuous you have to get to make your point .."English masters students" People who have spent about 22+ years in the educational system...

and the notion that you should teach an exam so that the child passes is the kind of rote memorization that i suspect is part of the problem..instead of kids having an expansive knowledge-base and the mental tools like logic,analysis and research so they can deal with any test.

Education has become dumbed down...We can debate the extent or the causes but its pretty obvious to anyone that shyts gotten worse..lets not pretend it hasnt

You're comparing people of today to one lifetime autodidact
You either don't have any conception of how testing worked in the past, or you're deluded enough to believe rote memorization wasn't a massive chunk of education before the 1990s, either way I'm not going to get sucked into a weird pedagogy debate.
Education hasn't been dumbed down by any means, the focus is largely the same, the standards are higher, especially in regard to benchmarks, and there are far more students now than there were then.

 

[theworldismine13]

the original chart is kinda bs, but ive always said, the public school system should be eliminated, the baby and the bathwater, no black person in their right mind should support the current public school system

 

[Camile.Bidan]

I don't people think realize that united States spends more public money on education than many of the nations in the top 10.

Singaporean students spend at least 5 hours after school attending private tutors or tutoring services--similar to Kumon or RSM here in the states.