Wutang vs no limit is all my brothers argued about...was that a popular debate or just my brothers
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Just your brothers
I was born in 1980.I'm officially pushing 40- and one of the interesting things about getting older is seeing the younger generation (can't believe I'm even using that term) debate about things that you actually lived through....
I know there are a few of us here, so I wanted to jump this off by just telling the true events and feeling from our culture at the time they were actually happening (and everyone us that's my age or older jump in) - Ask us anything.
*90s kid/Early 00's teen/20s
1. Eminem was widely thought to be a clown, 1-hit wonderish type of rapper, until the "Dead Wrong" by Biggie dropped - when everyone heard Eminems verse it was like a bomb hit. Eminem went from clown white rapper to holy sh*t best verse ever like overnight. (Yea he battled and had a mini-rep but we didn't really have internet like that to even know)
2. Of course there was no social media, but if you did use computers or the internet, you were a super geek. I mean it was def cool to say "Computers?? I don't even know how to use those things"...If you were on SOHH you had to hide it. The internet was like a super-nerd thing to the "hood"...now we have Presidential Twitter Fingers and Social Media Beef. Crazy.
3. When Ether dropped it was like the world stopped spinning. Nas was like a joke for the year or 2 Jay-Z had been dissing him, and Jay-Z was media equivalent to what Drake is now. People like to argue that Nas never fell off, but he definitely had fallen way off in public eye..there was no internet forums for stans to congregate. That's why Ether hit so hard - no one expected it, and no one really dissed Jay-Z hard.
4. You could get shot and killed in a Biggie vs. Tupac argument in late 90s. People took it that serious, and I am not exaggerating.
5. The 50 Cent of 2001 is the biggest rapper I've ever seen in any year ever. I don't think that year can be replicated, even 2009 Drake.
More random thoughts to come...maybe
1. Em was in the Source as unsigned hype and had freestyles on the Wake Up Show. He had hip hop credibility. When we found out he signed with Dre, hip hop fans were interested.
2. This is more or less right in the late 90s.
3. Jay was not dissing Nas for a year before Ether. Otherwise this is more or less right.
4. In the late 90s? After they both died?
5. Snoop in 92-93. Pac in 96. And 50 was at his peak in 2002/2003. Really 2003 when In The Club dropped.
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What are the most notable cases of all-time hip-hop classics today but were just seen as simply dope albums back in the day?
Doggystyle was easily the most anticipated album nationwide and it delivered.
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I would say Reasonable Doubt IMO.
There was just so much Biggie/2pac talk that I always heard Jay-Z being considered cool and dope, but you would get laughed out the room if you bought up his name in the "best" conversation.
I actually personally saw that happen. Back in like 00-01 though.
Reasonable Doubt is probably the best example.
"22 Twos" was the first Jay-Z record I ever heard. And I thought it was dope. But it wasn't WHOA. The "whoa Jay-Z" came on Vol 2.
I'd throw Aquemini in that convo, too. In hindsight, mostly. I wasn't up on Outkast till "Ms Jackson" came out. Which, for anyone who was around, knows that record went NUCLEAR. I heard two joints off Atliens a few years prior - the title track and Elevators. I loved the title track, I hated Elevators. So I never checked an album of theirs till Ms Jackson came out
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Nas was to most people I spoke to, and remember being considered one of the all-time greats in the 90s. Like hands down big singles, albums were legendary and he had mad respect. You couldn't talk down on Nas to anyone...
But I think he tried to take that next big step into the MTV/Diddy world, and when Nastradamus dropped it had a big single or two, but it's just like all that Oochie Wally (which was the BIGGEST hit in the club I must say...when you heard that beat dropped, the ladies went crazy) took him down a few notches I guess in people's mind of serious, Nas/Big/Pac arguments.
Damn, Nas been a legend for a long time....
That's why by like 2000/01, it seemed like Jay was getting the best of Nas and dissing him with no impunity. Yes, Nas was clapping back, but remember, we didn't have message boards and file sharing popping like that, so whoever MTV & BET and the dudes around your hood said was the best, they were the best...and most people seemed to be riding with Jay-Z Takeover, which converted even Jay-Z haters... (till Ether)
I'm probably not the best authority on this, would love to hear others opinions, but I remember the RZA/GZA/Raekwon etc. Wu-tang mob to have people likeWhat was the consensus back in the day about who had the best rhyme schemes technically speaking?
on every song. Will we ever see that again from a group??Side note, someone mentioned it earlier, but damn I forgot Redman and Method Man were HUGE.
I'm probably not the best authority on this, would love to hear others opinions, but I remember the RZA/GZA/Raekwon etc. Wu-tang mob to have people like
Side note, someone mentioned it earlier, but damn I forgot Redman and Method Man were HUGE.
Tear It Off crossed over to the whiteboy metal audience big time.
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Remember how unbelievably famous Lil Kim was? Was she bigger in late 90s/early 00s than Prime Nicki? It feels like to me but that could be revisionist history...
All the movie stars and celebs used to name drop her and she was in tv, movies, pop culture everything...
All the movie stars and celebs used to name drop her and she was in tv, movies, pop culture everything...