The Fugees were dissing the hell out of 2pac on Cowboys

[Knicksman20]

Bro come on, we all got the same internet



Pretty much every interview after April 95 while he was still incarcerated he says what exactly are his issues

He expected Biggie, his friend, to show him the same courtesy that Pac showed Wu Tang when their jewelery got robbed, and Pac didn't even know Wu Tang like that.

This is where I have an issue with which most of you nikkas ignore or gloss over. He knew shortly after he got shot it came from Henchmen. Henchmen called Stretch & Maj's mother's house phone & that's when he told them (the Young Gunz not just Pac) that they needed to get their bread up before they was ready for war with him. Also, Big not only went to the hospital to go see him after he was shot (Big was turned away by Pac's peoples), but he returned his hammer that was stashed in the piano at the Quad. If that's not showing loyalty then I don't know what is lol

Then Pac gets visited on Riker's & was told to his face by E-Money Bags & Freddie Nickels who was shot along side him, that Big & Stretch had nothing to do with it but it was too late because he did that Vibe interview throwing them under the bus. I understand the nikka was traumatized, but he caused the friction between him, Stretch & Big & not taking back what he said about them in the Vibe, & on top of that, getting mad at them for feeling some type of way about it

 

[KingSol81]

This is where I have an issue with which most of you nikkas ignore or gloss over. He knew shortly after he got shot it came from Henchmen. Henchmen called Stretch & Maj's mother's house phone & that's when he told them (the Young Gunz not just Pac) that they needed to get their bread up before they was ready for war with him. Also, Big not only went to the hospital to go see him after he was shot (Big was turned away by Pac's peoples), but he returned his hammer that was stashed in the piano at the Quad. If that's not showing loyalty then I don't know what is lol

Then Pac gets visited on Riker's & was told to his face by E-Money Bags & Freddie Nickels who was shot along side him, that Big & Stretch had nothing to do with it but it was too late because he did that Vibe interview throwing them under the bus. I understand the nikka was traumatized, but he caused the friction between him, Stretch & Big & not taking back what he said about them in the Vibe, & on top of that, getting mad at them for feeling some type of way about it

I only have one question. How was Pac supposed to respond to Biggie wearing and posing for photos with the jewelry they took off Pac??

And I don't even disagree that Pac spoke prematurely and out of emotion rather than facts in the April vibe story but from my perspective he wasnt saying anything false in media after the april vibe story.

Is what it is tho. I would suggest the naysayers whatch the whole video I posted as the full thing never aired at the time, but it pretty much answers all the points or grievances the Pac haters are saying in this thread.

 

[Knicksman20]

I only have one question. How was Pac supposed to respond to Biggie wearing and posing for photos with the jewelry they took off Pac??

And I don't even disagree that Pac spoke prematurely and out of emotion rather than facts in the April vibe story but from my perspective he wasnt saying anything false in media after the april vibe story.

Is what it is tho. I would suggest the naysayers whatch the whole video I pist2d as the full thing never aired at the time, but it pretty much answers all the points or grievances the Pac hates are saying in this thread.

This is a lie that what put out there. Do you know how many rappers were wearing the same pieces if not going to the same jeweler? There was a thread in the Booth years ago showing how many rappers had the same pieces

The bottom line is, Pac knew shortly after getting shot who did it. He put out this narrative & tried to control it by going at people who didn't have anything to do with it

 

[Biscayne]

Pac never said a single bad thing about de la on wax until 96. This was 93. They were in the Cowboys video jumping around. They dissed him again on stakes is high.

This Pac was a bully narrative needs to stop

U don’t know what u talking about. A lot of these people were throwing shots behind the scenes. Throwing subs on records. Dissing him at their shows etc etc and then was hiding their hands in public. Not to mention Fugees was affiliated with the cat who set him up to get locked up. The industry was toxic and trying to gaslight son. And it worked on nikkas like u who don’t and didn’t know any better.

They were saying shyt about him before he said anything about them.

If someone makes fun of me for getting shot then yea ima come back and shyt on them.

The more time that passes, the more it looks like pac was justified in going at these dudes

Sit this one out nephew

No y’all are wrong. Pac was supposed to be like “You know what? DeLa, Fugees, and the rest of the Eastcoast. Y’all are right! I’m trippin!” That’s how a rapper is supposed to respond to gettin dissed and gaslit, rather than making a response diss track! Pac was immature!

 

[Biscayne]

And y'all are some weirdos defending a dead nikka who y'all also treat like a martyr and special needs kid at the same damn time

So none of this was about logic and getting the timeline right on these incidents. It was basically you and @Amestafuu (Emeritus) being tired of Pac worship and martyrdom and kicking pac off his pedestal. A dead man got y’all so heated, you’ll just ignore logic, timelines, actual factual discussion and just cut to “Stop worshipping him!” Facts be damned!

At this point, it’s more indifference than anything. I used to be a big fan of his, but as I got older, I started noticing how often he acted out like a spoiled kid—lashing out at people who had nothing to do with the situations he was in. He never confronted the real ones who might’ve actually had something to do with him getting shot, like Jack or others. Instead, he picked battles with people who weren’t involved at all. In hindsight, he came off as immature. I see why a certain sect of people love him, though. It’s because they see either themselves or who they wish they were in him.

He literally dissed Haitian Jack and Jimmy Henchmen on Against All Odds. The only rapper to call these “feared” gangsters out by name. And basically clocked that Jack was working for the feds.

Again..just ignoring facts and logic. This is more irrational hate for Pac from your end, rather than Pac Stan’s being annoying.

 

[Biscayne]

I’ve heard Cowboys 1,000 times and never clocked the subs.

 

[JustCKing]

I feel like knowing what we know now about her not writing her rhymes, this is more on Wyclef or Pras than her probably.

Nobody said Lauryn didn't write her rhymes. So we don't know anything different. She had help writing and producing songs on her solo debut. I don't know how that got conflated into her not writing her rhymes especially when everybody pretty much said that she did.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

literally dissed Haitian Jack and Jimmy Henchmen

nikka, that’s like an audience member going at a comedian. Only one nikka got the mic. Plus them nikkas ain’t rappers so going at them on wax accomplish nothing. Face it. Dude did a ton of dry snitching on wax and that’s y’all hero? LOL

 

[Feed-Me]

Right, the guy who women universally loved and who ran thru half the female celebs in the industry in a 4 year span was a down low Mister Cee, got it.

Of course woman loved him. He had the utmost respect. To the rest of us he looked zesty. No? You dont think he is abit flamboyant?

 

[KingSol81]

nah he was found guilty of 2 counts of sexual abuse, and the Abuser herself backed up what I said in court and in an interview with dj Vlad..

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like I said before tho, he's still a hip-hop goat,, and seeing how that whole Diddy shyt turned out, who knows what would've happened had he lived through his appeal ..

I dunno when I pull up the court records it says what I wrote

 

[KingSol81]

I don't know what you're referring to. My brothers know him, I don't. And my mother knows his mother Sharon

It's from a famous Pinp C interview
But yeah, I guess it was common knowledge Mase was fukking with punks in ATL and he got caught with one on his whip

 

[KingSol81]

Nobody mentioned Chicago Drill lol

But drill rappers are primarily who ppl are judging so harshly in today's world right, so I'm just highlighting that the criticism ppl lob their way is for stuff Pac was never doing

even so.. I mean lunging at someone unprovoked at a boxing match — while out on bail — is some pretty n ass shyt I’m sure we are a society would condemn if an 18 year old did it.

We live in a different time as well, had social media been around more criticism would have came his way, and there is vid criticism for Pac and some of his actions but the the naysayers are presenting criticism and arguments that aren't really accurate, at least not from my perspective

 

[KingSol81]

Akon was born in 73. He's a year younger than Lauryn.

Right, so he woulda been 20 at the youngest and woulda had to have joined them right when they formed fugees, 20 is not high school age

 

[KingSol81]

Ignore list been beasting as of late...lol

WakaFlockaOkayDotGiff

 

[QU Hectic]

Probably haven't seen this since back then, ehhhh the baldy, the gold necklaces, the car phone, the chicks in the bubble bath tub...nah, they subbin Pac for sure, he took it light on them tho "yawl went 3 feet and stopped rising" that's nothing compared to the work he gave some of his foes

One of my favorite videos and songs of the mid 90s. Didn’t pay attention about a Pac diss