The Great “Summertime” Debate (i.e., IS WILL SMITH BLATANTLY LYING?)…..

Jerz-2

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….so if you used to post on :hamster: - or if you’ve posted HERE long enough – then you’re probably familiar with the poster known as @Art Barr.

And he has LONG maintained for years that his mentor in rap – the freestyle guru known as Juice – is the REAL composer of the song “Summertime” by Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince (he even claimed to have video evidence to support his position):

Juice wrote summertime.

Art Barr

Why do you keep saying.

Will smith wrote summertime.

When, I have said to you personally, will smith did not write summertime.

Plus, provided a video link to further substantiate the fact as well.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/most-annoying-hip-hop-revisionist-facts.364843/#post-15764257

You have sumfin wrong with your hearing and you are from Chicago too.

Rakim did not write summertime, nikka.

Juice wrote summertime.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/will-smith-summertime-appreciation-thread.544221/#post-24942838

juice wrote summertime

why people think rakim wrote summertime is hilarious.

the skillset used on summertime and rakim's skillset are totally and completely different.

I am the protege to the person who wrote summertime.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/nas-denies-ghostwriting-for-will-smith.206406/#post-8066322

^^^those are but a FEW examples from over the years.

HOWEVER…..in a recent video chat with Will Smith, Jazzy Jeff and Charlie Mack, Will makes the following DEFINITIVE claims:

1. HE wrote the song in its entirety….not anyone else.

2. He was DELIBERATELY trying to sound like Rakim.

3. It was the last song to be added to the album, which had already been completed, and they gave him the track right as he was walking out the door, and he said “It’s the only record I’ve ever written ONE TIME through and didn’t change anything, I wrote it in one sitting”.

(Unfortunately, I don’t know how to flag videos to go directly to the spot at issue, so just fast forward to the 6:30 mark to hear his side of the story):



You heard it for yourself…..Will not only said HE wrote it, but neither Jeff NOR Charlie Mack (or even Snoop) had anything to say which would have refuted that (by the way, the ENTIRE interview with those three (Will/Jeff/Charlie) was over two hours long but was TRULY entertaining, I’d highly recommend it for viewing purposes: )

SO…..WHICH IS IT? Did Juice write “Summertime” and WILL SMITH IS LYING, or is Art Barr mistaken?

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Looks like I'm late on the video, but there was alot of debate in that thread. :patrice:

I also saw in there where you posted that article link to the writer who interviewed Juice....
It was a link to a Dart against Humanity podcast I might find it later again since the link is not working.
 

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Off topic but

I still can't believe rap fans are so stupid and sheep-like that they really let Drake get away with having ghostwriters on rap songs, lol, under the guise of "Everybody does! Music is a concerted effort!"

Any rapper who has a ghostwriter is trash and shouldn't be taken seriously, yall aint gonna mindfukk me into thinking that up is down, no matter how many media people you get to cosign it.
 

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Off topic but

I still can't believe rap fans are so stupid and sheep-like that they really let Drake get away with having ghostwriters on rap songs, lol, under the guise of "Everybody does! Music is a concerted effort!"

Any rapper who has a ghostwriter is trash and shouldn't be taken seriously, yall aint gonna mindfukk me into thinking that up is down, no matter how many media people you get to cosign it.
Yeah, somewhere along the line one of the things that MADE rap "rap" was exploited and made to seem "normal". It's like a whole generation that adhered to "don't bite/write your own lyrics" somehow DIDN’T exist or were somehow deluded all those years. :heh:
 

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Will Smith is lying, which makes me suspicious about everything he says.
See, THAT'S my thing. To be honest, I've heard this for years beyond just Art Barr, that Juice ghostwrote that song. So if that's true, why not just give son his due? @Pop123 just mentioned it, people don't even CARE about ghostwriting anymore, so why should he be sensitive about the truth? Doesn't make it any LESS of a generation-spanning classic.

Now instead, with people KNOWING truth, he goes hard WITH the lie.

It's just....weird, B.
 

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Off topic but

I still can't believe rap fans are so stupid and sheep-like that they really let Drake get away with having ghostwriters on rap songs, lol, under the guise of "Everybody does! Music is a concerted effort!"

Any rapper who has a ghostwriter is trash and shouldn't be taken seriously, yall aint gonna mindfukk me into thinking that up is down, no matter how many media people you get to cosign it.
Uh oh
https://www.thecoli.com/threads/gho...gza-wrote-for-odb.342779/page-2#post-14584095
 
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