The Infamous vs Death Certificate

[The Ruler 09]

Are they just randomly touring the world cause no-one knows them then?

Upcoming concerts

• Friday 06 June 2014
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  Mobb Deep
  Long Beach, Frankfurt, Germany
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  DMX Mobb Deep and M.O.P.
  Club Longbeach, Hattersheim, Germany
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• Sunday 08 June 2014
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  Mobb Deep
  Out4fame Festival , Bottrop, Germany
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• Wednesday 11 June 2014
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  Mobb Deep
  Grelle Forelle, Vienna, Austria
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• Thursday 12 June 2014
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  The Smells and Mobb Deep
  Astra Kulturhaus, Berlin, Germany
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• Saturday 14 June 2014
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  Mobb Deep
  Melweg Max, Amsterdam, Netherlands
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• Monday 16 June 2014
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  Mobb Deep
  Amagerbio, Copenhagen, Denmark
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• Tuesday 17 June 2014
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  Mobb Deep
  Tavastia Klubi, Helsinki, Finland
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• Wednesday 18 June 2014
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  Mobb Deep
  Le Trianon, Paris, France
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• Thursday 19 June 2014
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  Mobb Deep
  Magazine Club, Lille, France

 

[The Ruler 09]

Mobb Deep
Upcoming concerts

• Sunday 22 June 2014
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  Mobb Deep Dilated Peoples
  Transbordeur, Villeurbanne, France
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• Monday 23 June 2014
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  Mobb Deep Live and Mobb Deep Havoc and The Prodigy
  Espace Julien, Marseilles, France
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• Tuesday 24 June 2014
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  Mobb Deep
  La Laiterie, Strasbourg, France
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• Wednesday 25 June 2014
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  Mobb Deep
  Parkteatret, Oslo, Norway
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• Thursday 26 June 2014
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  Mobb Deep
  Frost Bar & Lounge, Bodø, Norway
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• Friday 27 June 2014
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  Mobb Deep
  Gagarin, Athens, Greece
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• Saturday 05 July 2014
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  Mobb Deep Bone Thugs-n-Harmony, Too Short, and E-40
  Chene Park Amphitheater, Detroit, MI, US
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  Mobb Deep Berns Live and Mack Beats
  Berns Salonger, Stockholm, Sweden

 

[ISO]

But people on your side of the argument are using Youtube views, and it's ok.

You cats are all over the place. There is literally hundreds of rap albums that have up-to-date certification, but somehow Mobb Deep's entire discography fell through the cracks. I've literally never heard that argument applied to any other rap group, nor have I ever heard of a wide spread problem with RIAA certification of rap albums. So again....what proof do you have of any of this, since we're talking about revisionist history. The only revisionist history I see is people trying to make Mobb Deep out to be more than they actually were.

Fred.

I'm not condoning YouTube views, I know Cube is bigger than Mobb but to disrespect Mobb as an unknown rap act when they have sold millions, have classic songs, and still tour to this day as a duo is crazy. We shouldn't be judging the music on views or sales or any of that just quality beats and rhymes.

Actually no it's not only Mobb Deep it's plenty of other acts. For example Rae's Cuban Linx only has a Gold plaque, it's sales haven't been revisited since '95, and everyone knows damn well that shyt moved over a million it's the fukking Purple Tape. Redman was one of the most popular MC's in the 90s, Whut? Thee Album arguably his best album with his most classic song Tonight's Da Night is stuck on Gold it sales haven't been revisited by the RIAA since '93. Pac's All Eyez On Me is stuck on 9x Platinum, that's a double album it's easily Diamond. AZ Doe or Die has sold over a million yet it's still on Gold.

 

[hex]

I'm not condoning YouTube views, I know Cube is bigger than Mobb but to disrespect Mobb as an unknown rap act when they have sold millions, have classic songs, and still tour to this day as a duo is crazy. We shouldn't be judging the music on views or sales or any of that just quality beats and rhymes.

Actually no it's not only Mobb Deep it's plenty of other acts. For example Rae's Cuban Linx only has a Gold plaque, it's sales haven't been revisited since '95, and everyone knows damn well that shyt moved over a million it's the fukking Purple Tape. Redman was one of the most popular MC's in the 90s, Whut? Thee Album arguably his best album with his most classic song Tonight's Da Night is stuck on Gold it sales haven't been revisited by the RIAA since '93. Pac's All Eyez On Me is stuck on 9x Platinum, that's a double album it's easily Diamond. AZ Doe or Die has sold over a million yet it's still on Gold.

Or maybe the numbers haven't been revised because that's what they actually sold.

If all these rap albums were supposedly being under certified....you don't think one....literally a single....rapper would complain? In the 20ish years some of these albums came out? Not one rapper was like "hold the fukk up, I sold more". As much as rappers like to brag about sales, not one person spoke up?

I'll use Rae as an example. The Wu solo members were never greater than the group. So no, "OB4CL" going gold ain't some crazy shyt....Wu at the height of their popularity only went 4x plat one time. RZA will tell you that himself, in various interviews. So to think that the solos were going plat left and right is crazy. You're getting influence confused with success....DAS EFX wasn't selling that well, but half the rap game was talking about "riggidy-biggidy". More recently, "The Blueprint" outsold "Supreme Clientele" by a wide margin, despite the fact that Kanye and Just Blaze will tell you it was directly inspired by that album. Impact doesn't always translate to record sales.

The saddest part of this whole discussion is, I've actually defended Mobb Deep in the past. Because anytime someone would give them props, or make a "appreciation" thread, posters from all across the country would claim they got zero play in their region. West, south, midwest, etc. would all say Mobb Deep was local. I've argued against that mind state for years.....so to see people going to the other extreme, "Mobb Deep was more known than Cube, they were world-wide" is fukking insane.

Fred.

 

[Knicksman20]

A "Shook Ones" instrumental in a Sprite commercial isn't an indication of how hot they were. AZ was in a Sprite commercial back then, and he was a C tier artist.

That's like saying Cube was obviously bigger than Mobb Deep nation-wide because he starred in "Boyz N The Hood" and "Higher Learning". Hell, it would make more sense than the Sprite commercial but I still wouldn't use it as an example.

Fred.

With respect to your opinion I just don't agree. I was well into hip hop in 95 & saw how poppin' they were & how The Infamous hit the streets. Back then Hot 97 & NYC was the mecca of rap. There were few other hip hop & R&B radio stations back then that got you the exposure to thrust you into the limelight. Getting on Angie Martinez show was big time. On her show & others show from Hot 97 all you heard was instrumentals from that album like: Give Up The Goods (my personal favorite Mobb track), Survival of the Fittest, Shook Ones Pt 2, & Still Shining to name a few. The people I was around back then knew Mobb was a big deal when their song was on that Sprite commercial like this when these 2 already established themselves in Hip Hop:



You're severely underrating Mobb Deep & their album for whatever reason bruh.

 

[hex]

With respect to your opinion I just don't agree. I was well into hip hop in 95 & saw how poppin' they were & how The Infamous hit the streets. Back then Hot 97 & NYC was the mecca of rap. There were few other hip hop & R&B radio stations back then that got you the exposure to thrust you into the limelight. Getting on Angie Martinez show was big time. On her show & others show from Hot 97 all you heard was instrumentals from that album like: Give Up The Goods (my personal favorite Mobb track), Survival of the Fittest, Shook Ones Pt 2, & Still Shining to name a few. The people I was around back then knew Mobb was a big deal when their song was on that Sprite commercial like this when these 2 already established themselves in Hip Hop:



You're severely underrating Mobb Deep & their album for whatever reason bruh.

Mobb Deep being big in NY in '95 =/= they were big elsewhere. I don't understand how you're arguing they were big in other regions because they got play in NY. Of course they got play in NY, they're from NY.

And other regions had been blown up by '95, so NY wasn't the be-all-end-all as far as what was popular.

Fred.

 

[Knicksman20]

Mobb Deep being big in NY in '95 =/= they were big elsewhere. I don't understand how you're arguing they were big in other regions because they got play in NY. Of course they got play in NY, they're from NY.

And other regions had been blown up by '95, so NY wasn't the be-all-end-all as far as what was popular.

Fred.

Bruh if you were around back then, then you knew you had to go through NY to get massive exposure on Hot 97. It's that simple. There weren't that many radio stations or the internet back then to get yourself more of a buzz. Artists had to go to NY

 

[H.I.M.]

Bruh if you were around back then, then you knew you had to go through NY to get massive exposure on Hot 97. It's that simple. There weren't that many radio stations or the internet back then to get yourself more of a buzz. Artists had to go to NY

Maybe for a NY based "artist". But Bone, Outkast, Face, Snoop, Goodie Mob, 8ball & MJG among others were selling more records than Mobb Deep back then with little to no NY radio support. And also outselling most other NY rappers from that era.

 

[King Kai]

This is not close to me at all.

Got dat westcoast bias tho

 

[ISO]

Or maybe the numbers haven't been revised because that's what they actually sold.

If all these rap albums were supposedly being under certified....you don't think one....literally a single....rapper would complain? In the 20ish years some of these albums came out? Not one rapper was like "hold the fukk up, I sold more". As much as rappers like to brag about sales, not one person spoke up?

I'll use Rae as an example. The Wu solo members were never greater than the group. So no, "OB4CL" going gold ain't some crazy shyt....Wu at the height of their popularity only went 4x plat one time. RZA will tell you that himself, in various interviews. So to think that the solos were going plat left and right is crazy. You're getting influence confused with success....DAS EFX wasn't selling that well, but half the rap game was talking about "riggidy-biggidy". More recently, "The Blueprint" outsold "Supreme Clientele" by a wide margin, despite the fact that Kanye and Just Blaze will tell you it was directly inspired by that album. Impact doesn't always translate to record sales.

The saddest part of this whole discussion is, I've actually defended Mobb Deep in the past. Because anytime someone would give them props, or make a "appreciation" thread, posters from all across the country would claim they got zero play in their region. West, south, midwest, etc. would all say Mobb Deep was local. I've argued against that mind state for years.....so to see people going to the other extreme, "Mobb Deep was more known than Cube, they were world-wide" is fukking insane.

Fred.

So you really think Pac's All Eyez On Me is 9x Platinum? You're telling me that albums certified Gold just a few months after their release haven't moved a million copies after 20 years?

And again beats and rhymes breh

Maybe for a NY based "artist". But Bone, Outkast, Face, Snoop, Goodie Mob, 8ball & MJG among others were selling more records than Mobb Deep back then with little to no NY radio support. And also outselling most other NY rappers from that era.

Bone yes, Snoop yes, Kast by ATLiens was outselling Mobb slightly those other nikkas no. By the way Bone and Snoop were all over the radio nationwide.

 

[hex]

Bruh if you were around back then, then you knew you had to go through NY to get massive exposure on Hot 97. It's that simple. There weren't that many radio stations or the internet back then to get yourself more of a buzz. Artists had to go to NY

Maybe for a NY based "artist". But Bone, Outkast, Face, Snoop, Goodie Mob, 8ball & MJG among others were selling more records than Mobb Deep back then with little to no NY radio support. And also outselling most other NY rappers from that era.

This right here. There were several acts from all over the country that were going plat/multi-plat with zero feedback from NY. We're talking about 1995, not 1989. Outkast got booed in NY but was going multi-plat, so somebody was buying their shyt. Death Row was openly antagonistic towards the east, and still going 3-4x plat. Like I said, by the mid-90's NY had stopped being the be-all-end-all in terms of making or breaking a rapper's career.

I copped "The Infamous" in '95 and had no idea what a Hot 97 is. I'm from the mid west.

Fred.

 

[FreshAIG]

Saying you like the Infamous more, I can understand that

But trying to insinuate The Infamous is a bigger album or Mobb Deep is as popular as Ice Cube is That's so outlandishly retarded I don't even know how to comment. That's like saying Lil Durk is bigger than Drake. It's so absurd there's really no way to comment on it because it's blatant trolling


Lmaooo @ they stopped counting album sales. I can't with y'all. nikkas need to do stand up

 

[Knicksman20]

Maybe for a NY based "artist". But Bone, Outkast, Face, Snoop, Goodie Mob, 8ball & MJG among others were selling more records than Mobb Deep back then with little to no NY radio support. And also outselling most other NY rappers from that era.

Off the dome I can tell you for a fact that Bone Thugs, Outkast, & Snoop all came to NY in the 90's for exposure & to do shows. The other groups I'm not so sure about & would have to look up.

 

[ISO]

This right here. There were several acts from all over the country that were going plat/multi-plat with zero feedback from NY. We're talking about 1995, not 1989. Outkast got booed in NY but was going multi-plat, so somebody was buying their shyt. Death Row was openly antagonistic towards the east, and still going 3-4x plat. Like I said, by the mid-90's NY had stopped being the be-all-end-all in terms of making or breaking a rapper's career.

I copped "The Infamous" in '95 and had no idea what a Hot 97 is. I'm from the mid west.

Fred.

Snoop was huge nationwide, Bone were huge nationwide we're talking stars here. Goodie Mob was not outselling Mobb, OutKast was not killing Mobb on the charts at all till 00's, 8Ball & MJG were not outselling Mobb

 

[FreshAIG]

So you really think Pac's All Eyez On Me is 9x Platinum? You're telling me that albums certified Gold just a few months after their release haven't moved a million copies after 20 years?

And again beats and rhymes breh

Bone yes, Snoop yes, Kast by ATLiens was outselling Mobb slightly those other nikkas no. By the way Bone and Snoop were all over the radio nationwide.

I'm crying. Albums that sold gold in a few months never go platinum all the time. Are you serious right now? Lmaoo. Usually an album sales the majority of its records within a small time frame (1-4 months depending on how strong the secondary singles are) and then they stop flat. And unless there's a major change ( the artist gets way bigger years later so fans go back to cop their older work, or they die) that album stays around Gold or whatever.

There's a LOT of artists who had albums go Gold quickly and never ever reached platinum. Redman, KRS, Keith Murray, Talib etc