The Intellectual Poverty Of The New Socialists

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The Intellectual Poverty Of The New Socialists
by Richard A. Epstein

Changes in the language of self-identification give us enormous information about changes in political thought. Consider how the American left labels itself today compared to fifty years ago. Back then, American liberalism stood for the dominance of a mixed economy in which market institutions provided growth: deregulation of the airlines in the 1970s, for example, was no sin. At the same time, the liberal vision promoted political institutions that provided a safety net for Americans in the form of social security, unemployment insurance, Medicare, and Medicaid. The term “progressive” came to the fore recently with the rise of Barack Obama, signaling a rising dissatisfaction with the status quo ante because of the liberal mainstream’s inability to reduce inequalities of wealth and income while empowering marginalized groups like women and minorities. Yet somehow the sought-after progressive utopia never quite emerged in the Obama years. Slow economic growth and rising inequality were combined with tense race relations, exemplified by the high profile 2009 arrest of Henry Louis Gates, and the fatal shootings of Trayvon Martin in 2012, and Michael Brown in 2014.

These events have put establishment Democrats like Bill and Hillary Clinton on the defensive. Spurred on by that old socialist warhorse, Senator Bernie Sanders, young socialists Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib, both rising political stars likely to join Congress next year. These new wave socialists will push the Democratic party further to the left with their constant calls for free and universal healthcare, free college tuition, and guaranteed jobs for all Americans—all paid for in ways yet to be determined.

The New Socialists try of course to distance themselves from the glaring failures of the Old Socialists, who suffered from two incurable vices. First, they ran the economies of such places as Cuba, Venezuela, the Soviet Union, and virtually all of Eastern Europe into the ground. Second, they turned these states into one-party dictatorships governed by police brutality, forced imprisonment for political offenses, and other human rights abuses. When viewing the proposals of the New Socialists, one looks for any kind of explanation for how their proposals for the radical expansion of government control over the economy aimed at mitigating income inequality will protect both personal liberty and economic well-being.

The New Socialists thankfully do not stress the old theme of abolition of private property through the collective ownership of the means of production. So what do they believe? One answer to this question is offered by Professor Corey Robin, a political theorist at Brooklyn College and the Graduate Center at the City University of New York, who recently praised the “New Socialism” in the New York Times. He proudly boasts of a major uptick in support for socialist ideals among the young and then seeks to explain the forces that drive their newfound success. In a single sentence: “The argument against capitalism isn’t that it makes us poor. It is that it makes us unfree.”

Robin reaches that conclusion not by looking at the increasing array of products, and career options made available through the free market. Instead, he invokes the type of dramatic example that Bernie Sanders loves to put forward to explain the need for free public health care. Under the current system, we are told that everyone is beholden to the “boss” at work and to the faceless drones who have the arbitrary power to decide that a particular insurance policy purchased by a mother does not cover her child’s appendectomy. Thus, under capitalism, we all bow and scrape to the almighty boss, knowing, in Robin’s words, that when “my well-being depends on your whim, when basic needs of life compel submission to the market and subjugation at work, we live not in freedom but in domination.”

This supposed equivalence of a market economy to organized serfdom reminds me of my time in both West and East Berlin as a young law student in the summer of 1965. You did not have to theorize about the difference between capitalism and socialism. You could see it in the bright lights of West Berlin and the drab exteriors and rumbling Soviet tanks of East Berlin. The explanation for the contrast came from a forlorn East German shopkeeper who sold me an ersatz chocolate bar that I purchased with my ersatz East German marks. The shopkeeper explained with this joke: “Question: What is the difference between capitalism and socialism? Answer: Under capitalism man exploits man, while under socialism the reverse is true.”

This quip is deeply insightful. The New Socialists in the United States live in a world of intellectual self-denial. They think that they can control the distribution of all the good things in life without undermining the economic and social institutions needed for the creation of that wealth in the first place. The words “competition,” “scarcity,” and “free entry” do not make it into Robin’s constricted lexicon, and their absence explains why he botches the analytical issues concerning “freedom” thoroughly. His first sin is to ignore the simple truth that scarcity means that all of us cannot have all that we want all the time. His second sin is that of cherry-picking. Sadly, some individuals must grovel before their bosses to keep their jobs. But in a competitive economy, free entry allows many more individuals to quit their jobs for better opportunities, or even to be recruited away by another employer.

Competition leaves people with choices. But under the New Socialism, people will really discover what it means to be unfree when they only have this choice: work for the state and spend your falling wages on government-supplied goods—or starve. And to whom does the unhappy citizen turn when there is only one healthcare provider, one landlord, and one education system? The state monopolies under socialism offer a kind of subjugation and submission far greater than that in competitive markets. The faceless corporate decision makers that trouble professor Robin are far less sinister than government bureaucrats who can block all exit options. Imagine how poorly the Post Office would function without competition from
Federal Express and UPS.

Of course, today’s competitive markets do not work as well as we would like. But it is important to note that these difficulties often stem not from the unwillingness of prospective employers to strike a deal, but from the insistence of the state that all future contracts meet some requirements, such as the minimum wage, that can easily price workers, especially those workers at the bottom of the economic ladder, out of jobs. It doesn’t help that the federal government also taxes many workers heavily in order to help others more fortunate than themselves. Just that happens, for example, with the community rating system under the Affordable Care Act. The much-heralded program has the following consequence. It requires a major subsidy of older, sicker individuals from younger and healthier persons who often earn less and have less wealth than seniors. So if young people stay in the ACA’s insurance pools, the ACA mandates substantial wealth transfers from poor to rich. And as younger people flee that system, the ACA pools face the crisis in affordability and coverage that leads indeed to the adverse selection death spiral that is the inevitable result of any program of cross-subsidies.

It is easy to tell a similar tale with other grand social experiments that mandate transfers. Ocasio-Cortez readily attacks “real-estate developers” because, as Robin tells us, “in her district of strapped renters, landlords are the enemies.” And just how are we supposed to deal with these enemies? Put them under lock and key? If that sounds a bit extreme, we can put in place a system of rent control, only to discover that the primary beneficiaries of that system are, for instance in New York, the well-heeled and highly influential professionals on New York’s Upper West Side and Brooklyn’s Park Slope. Worse still, by sticking it to those mean-spirited developers, we prevent the creation of new housing stock that would allow market forces to drive down rental rates.

The New Socialists have yet to learn that rent control and affordable housing rules, whether for rentals or new construction, are a form of price controls. No, the New Socialists cannot defeat the laws of supply and demand. They might, however, take note of the disgraceful performance New York City Housing Authority (NYCHA) as a public landlord. As the Wall Street Journal reports, “NYCHA officials had for years hidden broken elevators, rat infestations, leaking pipes and winter heat outages from federal inspectors” while doing nothing to eliminate peeling lead paint. After all, unlike landlords and developers, no public official suffers a dime of personal financial loss from mistreating those “free” public tenants who have nowhere else to go.

There is a deep intellectual confusion and moral emptiness in Robin’s New Socialism. On the one hand, it denies the major advances in longevity and human flourishing that have been made in recent years by the worldwide spread of market institutions, documented in exquisite detail by Johan Norberg in his great book Progress. And Robin makes the fatal mistake of attributing to market institutions the failures that fall squarely on the regulatory programs of traditional liberals—e.g. minimum wages, rent control—that hamper economic growth and personal freedom. The New Socialism has no more chance of success than the Old Socialism. You may as well try to cure diabetes by administering extra-large doses of government-subsidized sugar.
 

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Wait, someone wanted to talk about intellectual poverty in the current political atmosphere and the first ones they thought of putting that label on were Democratic Socialists?

Then he goes and pulls the Soviet Russia card by the third paragraph and uses it for the rest of the essay. And he claims to be talking about intellectual poverty. :mjlol:

There should be an equivalent to Godwin's Law, that the first person to bring up Soviet Russia when trying to talk about modern Democratic Socialists automatically loses. :camby:
 

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Damn, I looked him up and he's one of those anti-Black libertarian fools. Here is a small sample of hundreds of essays:

The Shooting of Blacks by Cops and the Rush to Judgement - Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin's killings were proven to be justified, other police killings of young Black men might be justified too so we shouldn't rush to judgement. There is no institutional racism, denouncing racism only makes matters worse, cops rightfully fear Black people because Black people are more likely to be racist, hostile to police, participate in criminal conduct and resist arrest. Police are only responding naturally to the greater risk that Blacks pose. Black Lives Matter is wrong for what they do and deserve part of the blame for Micah Johnson and any other similar killings of cops.

Race Baiting and Ferguson - why the DOJ was wrong to publish a report showing systematic racism against Black people in Ferguson, they don't have any evidence that Ferguson is any worse than any other city so they shouldn't have picked on them, maybe Black people in Ferguson just commit a lot more crime than White people, racist emails sent by police members are isolated incidents and don't prove anything

Black Lives Matter and the Police - why institutional racism against Black people doesn't exist, the only institutional racism is against White people, everything that could be done to ensure the police not be racist has already been taken care of, we don't really know what happens when Black people are killed by police and we shouldn't rush to judgment, it's just too hard to "get the error rate down to zero", Black Lives Matter is way out of line and they need to focus more on people like Micah Johnson and less on the police

Baltimore's Real Police Problem - it's unions, not racism

The Case Against Reparations - why Ta-Nehisi Coates was wrong to focus on race, White people helped end segregation so why should they be blamed for it, and if Coates really wanted to help Black people than he would fight for more charter schools, an end to antidiscrimination laws, and a repeal of the minimum wage.

Forbidden Grounds: The Case Against Employment Discrimination laws - the reason that laws prohibiting employers from discriminating by race should be repealed

Civil Rights Enforcement Gone Haywire - why schools that punish Black children much more than White children aren't necessarily doing anything wrong because disciplining Black children more might be justified, and the Obama administration is wrong to push for any kind of equality there

Segregation in Texas? - why the Fair Housing Act should be limited only to cases where you can prove that racial discrimination was intended, and not just the result

Rand Paul's Wrong Answer - why the Civil Rights Act should be repealed and White business owners should have the right to discriminate against Black people as they want.

The Dream Derailed - just some total bullshyt about Martin Luther King Jr.

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Damn, I looked him up and he's one of those anti-Black libertarian fools. Here is a small sample of hundreds of essays:

The Shooting of Blacks by Cops and the Rush to Judgement - Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin's killings were proven to be justified, other police killings of young Black men might be justified too so we shouldn't rush to judgement. There is no institutional racism, denouncing racism only makes matters worse, cops rightfully fear Black people because Black people are more likely to be racist, hostile to police, participate in criminal conduct and resist arrest. Police are only responding naturally to the greater risk that Blacks pose. Black Lives Matter is wrong for what they do and deserve part of the blame for Micah Johnson and any other similar killings of cops.

Race Baiting and Ferguson - why the DOJ was wrong to publish a report showing systematic racism against Black people in Ferguson, they don't have any evidence that Ferguson is any worse than any other city so they shouldn't have picked on them, maybe Black people in Ferguson just commit a lot more crime than White people, racist emails sent by police members are isolated incidents and don't prove anything

Black Lives Matter and the Police - why institutional racism against Black people doesn't exist, the only institutional racism is against White people, everything that could be done to ensure the police not be racist has already been taken care of, we don't really know what happens when Black people are killed by police and we shouldn't rush to judgment, it's just too hard to "get the error rate down to zero", Black Lives Matter is way out of line and they need to focus more on people like Micah Johnson and less on the police

Baltimore's Real Police Problem - it's unions, not racism

The Case Against Reparations - why Ta-Nehisi Coates was wrong to focus on race, White people helped end segregation so why should they be blamed for it, and if Coates really wanted to help Black people than he would fight for more charter schools, an end to antidiscrimination laws, and a repeal of the minimum wage.

Forbidden Grounds: The Case Against Employment Discrimination laws - the reason that laws prohibiting employers from discriminating by race should be repealed

Civil Rights Enforcement Gone Haywire - why schools that punish Black children much more than White children aren't necessarily doing anything wrong because disciplining Black children more might be justified, and the Obama administration is wrong to push for any kind of equality there

Segregation in Texas? - why the Fair Housing Act should be limited only to cases where you can prove that racial discrimination was intended, and not just the result

Rand Paul's Wrong Answer - why the Civil Rights Act should be repealed and White business owners should have the right to discriminate against Black people as they want.

The Dream Derailed - just some total bullshyt about Martin Luther King Jr.

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:scust:His position(s)/opinion(s) on race issues are disgusting.
 

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Damn, I looked him up and he's one of those anti-Black libertarian fools. Here is a small sample of hundreds of essays:

The Shooting of Blacks by Cops and the Rush to Judgement - Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin's killings were proven to be justified, other police killings of young Black men might be justified too so we shouldn't rush to judgement. There is no institutional racism, denouncing racism only makes matters worse, cops rightfully fear Black people because Black people are more likely to be racist, hostile to police, participate in criminal conduct and resist arrest. Police are only responding naturally to the greater risk that Blacks pose. Black Lives Matter is wrong for what they do and deserve part of the blame for Micah Johnson and any other similar killings of cops.

Race Baiting and Ferguson - why the DOJ was wrong to publish a report showing systematic racism against Black people in Ferguson, they don't have any evidence that Ferguson is any worse than any other city so they shouldn't have picked on them, maybe Black people in Ferguson just commit a lot more crime than White people, racist emails sent by police members are isolated incidents and don't prove anything

Black Lives Matter and the Police - why institutional racism against Black people doesn't exist, the only institutional racism is against White people, everything that could be done to ensure the police not be racist has already been taken care of, we don't really know what happens when Black people are killed by police and we shouldn't rush to judgment, it's just too hard to "get the error rate down to zero", Black Lives Matter is way out of line and they need to focus more on people like Micah Johnson and less on the police

Baltimore's Real Police Problem - it's unions, not racism

The Case Against Reparations - why Ta-Nehisi Coates was wrong to focus on race, White people helped end segregation so why should they be blamed for it, and if Coates really wanted to help Black people than he would fight for more charter schools, an end to antidiscrimination laws, and a repeal of the minimum wage.

Forbidden Grounds: The Case Against Employment Discrimination laws - the reason that laws prohibiting employers from discriminating by race should be repealed

Civil Rights Enforcement Gone Haywire - why schools that punish Black children much more than White children aren't necessarily doing anything wrong because disciplining Black children more might be justified, and the Obama administration is wrong to push for any kind of equality there

Segregation in Texas? - why the Fair Housing Act should be limited only to cases where you can prove that racial discrimination was intended, and not just the result

Rand Paul's Wrong Answer - why the Civil Rights Act should be repealed and White business owners should have the right to discriminate against Black people as they want.

The Dream Derailed - just some total bullshyt about Martin Luther King Jr.

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Excepg for reparations, dead7 has argued for all these. :laff:
 

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Wait, someone wanted to talk about intellectual poverty in the current political atmosphere and the first ones they thought of putting that label on were Democratic Socialists?

Then he goes and pulls the Soviet Russia card by the third paragraph and uses it for the rest of the essay. And he claims to be talking about intellectual poverty. :mjlol:

There should be an equivalent to Godwin's Law, that the first person to bring up Soviet Russia when trying to talk about modern Democratic Socialists automatically loses. :camby:



I caught that too. Dude used straight up communist states to talk about socialism. No one is aiming for THAT. There are plenty of countries that have universal healthcare and affordable universities that aren't communist states but the writer went for the sensationalist scare tactic.
 

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:scust:His position(s)/opinion(s) on race issues are disgusting.

These your (libertarian) people though :sas1:

Excepg for reparations, dead7 has argued for all these. :laff:

I caught that too. Dude used straight up communist states to talk about socialism. No one is aiming for THAT. There are plenty of countries that have universal healthcare and affordable universities that aren't communist states but the writer went for the sensationalist scare tactic.

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Why do people keep posting this shyt?
Guys from the Hoover institute for fukk sake

Old baby boomers who ruined the country and led a Nazi to become elected trying to warn us about the terrible threat of progressive politics as if they’re a threat to democracy meanwhile their conservative cohorts are actively driving America into the ground

“Free education in ways yet to be determined”
No, they’re determined, a$$hole. Stop spending trillions on military, and have the rich actually pay their taxes instead of pushing it all on the lower class.
 
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I caught that too. Dude used straight up communist states to talk about socialism. No one is aiming for THAT. There are plenty of countries that have universal healthcare and affordable universities that aren't communist states but the writer went for the sensationalist scare tactic.

Then he said mixed economies are good but shytted on ACA...

Let's be real...

The USA don't know shyt about other economic systems

Russia went from a fedual society to launching rockets in a couple of decades...under socialism

It took the USA hundreds of years

China went from an agarian society to a world power in a couple of decades...

Cuba went from an aristocratic plantation society where people were mostly illiterate to a literate society that has universal health care...

Socialist economics work...and work faster than capitalism modes of production

Capitalist countries just so happen to sabotage socialist oriented or state capitalist countries
 

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Wait, someone wanted to talk about intellectual poverty in the current political atmosphere and the first ones they thought of putting that label on were Democratic Socialists?

Then he goes and pulls the Soviet Russia card by the third paragraph and uses it for the rest of the essay. And he claims to be talking about intellectual poverty. :mjlol:

There should be an equivalent to Godwin's Law, that the first person to bring up Soviet Russia when trying to talk about modern Democratic Socialists automatically loses. :camby:
You're right, and I was very disappointed when I read that. As long as @DEAD7 has been here, it's amazing he has not learned the blatant fallacies in that presentation of history.

But if we are adding Godwin's Law addendums, how about

- no more calling anyone who doesn't bow at the altar of neo-socialism a Russian troll/capitalist shill/other pejorative?
- no more calling anyone who questions the Democrats' immigration strategy a Nazi?
- hell, no more calling anyone you disagree with a Nazi?

Leftists seem more concerned with convincing themselves of moral superiority over anyone they disagree with than actually presenting sound arguments and solutions, or converting non believers. This is probably a shock to this forum, but nobody wins elections by alienating and insulting everyone who isn't already on board- except by gun point, which many here seem apt to do (ask what mechanism the hardcore socialists propose to get property owners on board with their plans).
 

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Thanks for the even-handed response.

You're right, and I was very disappointed when I read that. As long as @DEAD7 has been here, it's amazing he has not learned the blatant fallacies in that presentation of history.

But if we are adding Godwin's Law addendums, how about

- no more calling anyone who doesn't bow at the altar of neo-socialism a Russian troll/capitalist shill/other pejorative?
I don't call anyone a Russian troll and the only people I call capitalist shill are the capitalist shills (I think I've basically only used it to describe one specific poster here, who is a ridiculous shill).




- no more calling anyone who questions the Democrats' immigration strategy a Nazi?
- hell, no more calling anyone you disagree with a Nazi?
I literally never do that.



Leftists seem more concerned with convincing themselves of moral superiority over anyone they disagree with than actually presenting sound arguments and solutions, or converting non believers.
That isn't my experience. And just look at the places where people accuse far-left ideas of being centered around (academia) versus where far-right ideas are centered around (talk radio pundits). If leftists are being converted in college while rightists are being converted by media entertainers, then I don't think your stereotype holds.
 

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You're right, and I was very disappointed when I read that. As long as @DEAD7 has been here, it's amazing he has not learned the blatant fallacies in that presentation of history.

But if we are adding Godwin's Law addendums, how about

- no more calling anyone who doesn't bow at the altar of neo-socialism a Russian troll/capitalist shill/other pejorative?
- no more calling anyone who questions the Democrats' immigration strategy a Nazi?
- hell, no more calling anyone you disagree with a Nazi?

Leftists seem more concerned with convincing themselves of moral superiority over anyone they disagree with than actually presenting sound arguments and solutions, or converting non believers. This is probably a shock to this forum, but nobody wins elections by alienating and insulting everyone who isn't already on board- except by gun point, which many here seem apt to do (ask what mechanism the hardcore socialists propose to get property owners on board with their plans).

Economic and political changes do not occur peacefully...

Capitalism isn't peaceful and the spread of it wasn't peaceful

Socialism and Communism won't be either and true Leftists understand...and we definitely don't believe in elections...that's just getting concessions...and we definitely don't care about moral superiority

Although Leftists aren't trying to have sweatshops or work people 60 hrs a week and see no reason why millionaires have 6 houses while there are countless homeless people

Lol the people that go around calling people Russian bots and etc are liberals.... who might wanna add tweaks to capitalism...like mandatory paternity leave...

Actual Leftists don't want it to exist at all...

The USA hasn't had a Left since the 30s...talking about communists and socialists

Not Obama loving liberals
 
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