The irony of all this is that Triple Haitch is actually a B+ player

[R=G]

If we are going by money drawn, there is no way DX or Bret could be higher than Bill Goldberg. And Goldberg was MUCH bigger than Cena has been, could be, or ever will be at this point. That guy is begging for cheers at 37 years old. Never seen anything like it.

 

[MenacingMonk]

I can't cosign that list. Listing Hogan as a better wrestler than Flair.

But when it comes to overall popularity, Hogan > Flair.

Trips may be the best heel, possibly ever, but he never drew as THAT main guy. Nobody wanted to see him. He's definitely a good worker; a B+ worker.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

From June 1996-April 13th, 1998...WCW kicked Monday Night Raw's ass WHOLESALE. No room for error

1996
Week Raw Nitro
Jan 1 2.6 2.5
Jan 8 3.0 2.8
Jan 15 2.4 3.5
Jan 22 2.9 2.7
Jan 29 2.4 2.8
Feb 5 2.7 2.9
Feb 12 – 3.7
Feb 19 3.1 3.7
Feb 26 3.1 3.2
Mar 4 3.6 –
Mar 11 2.9 3.2
Mar 18 2.9 3.6
Mar 25 2.8 3.1
Apr 1 2.9 2.8
Apr 8 4.7 –
Apr 15 3.1 2.8
Apr 22 3.3 2.7
Apr 29 3.9 2.1
May 6 4.1 1.9
May 13 3.5 2.3
May 20 3.1 2.3
May 27 3.3 2.8
Jun 3 2.3 3.0
Jun 10 2.7 2.6
Jun 17 2.3 3.4
Jun 24 2.7 3.2
Jul 1 2.6 3.3
Jul 8 2.5 3.5
Jul 15 2.6 3.5
Jul 22 2.2 2.6
Jul 29 2.1 3.0
Aug 5 2.8 3.0
Aug 12 2.0 3.3
Aug 19 2.9 3.5
Aug 26 – 4.3
Sep 2 – 4.3
Sep 9 2.4 3.7
Sep 16 2.1 3.6
Sep 23 2.0 3.4
Sep 30 2.3 3.3
Oct 7 2.1 3.5
Oct 14 1.8 3.2
Oct 21 2.6 3.2
Oct 28 2.0 3.5
Nov 4 2.3 3.4
Nov 11 2.5 3.5
Nov 18 2.4 3.2
Nov 25 2.1 3.1
Dec 2 2.3 3.4
Dec 9 2.3 3.1
Dec 16 2.3 3.4
Dec 23 1.5 3.2
Dec 30 1.6 3.5

1997
Week Raw Nitro
Jan 6 2.1 3.4
Jan 13 2.3 3.4
Jan 20 2.2 3.7
Jan 27 2.2 3.6
Feb 3 2.6 3.0
Feb 10 2.7 (Thu.) 3.8
Feb 17 2.45 2.9
Feb 24 2.5 3.0
Mar 3 1.9 3.4
Mar 10 2.3 3.5
Mar 17 2.4 3.6
Mar 24 2.5 3.0
Mar 31 2.7 3.4
Apr 7 2.8 3.65
Apr 14 2.2 3.45
Apr 21 2.8 3.3
Apr 28 3.4 2.7
May 5 3.4 2.6
May 12 3.2 2.8
May 19 3.6 3.1
May 26 2.7 3.2
Jun 2 2.5 3.3
Jun 9 2.2 3.4
Jun 16 2.4 3.3
Jun 23 2.4 3.2
Jun 30 2.5 3.3
Jul 7 2.5 3.4
Jul 14 2.6 3.5
Jul 21 4.05 3.75 (Tue.)
Jul 28 2.9 3.4
Aug 4 2.6 4.36
Aug 11 2.9 3.8
Aug 18 3.2 4.0
Aug 25 – 5.0
Sep 1 – 4.7
Sep 8 2.2 4.3
Sep 15 2.55 3.85
Sep 22 2.35 3.6
Sep 29 2.7 4.0
Oct 6 3.05 3.95
Oct 13 2.3 3.8
Oct 20 2.95 4.55
Oct 27 2.3 4.55
Nov 3 2.6 4.0
Nov 10 3.4 4.4
Nov 17 3.15 4.12
Nov 24 3.1 3.88
Dec 1 3.0 3.8
Dec 8 2.7 4.1
Dec 15 2.7 4.1
Dec 22 3.1 3.5
Dec 29 3.6 4.65

1998
Week Raw Nitro
Jan 5 3.35 4.3
Jan 12 3.46 4.5
Jan 19 4.0 4.5
Jan 26 3.48 4.7
Feb 2 3.45 4.9
Feb 9 3.2 4.6
Feb 16 3.0 (Sat.) 5.1
Feb 23 3.2 4.6
Mar 2 3.75 4.8
Mar 9 3.61 4.6
Mar 16 4.4 (Tue.) 5.1
Mar 23 3.6 4.6
Mar 30 3.8 4.2
Apr 6 4.43 4.6
Apr 13 4.63 4.3
Apr 20 4.40 5.1
Apr 27 5.69 1.7 (Mon.)
2.28 (Tue.)
May 4 5.51 3.5
May 11 4.72 4.35
May 18 5.33 2.5
May 25 4.22 4.2
Jun 1 4.35 3.75
Jun 8 4.26 4.1
Jun 15 4.32 4.0
Jun 22 4.27 4.1
Jun 29 5.36 4.1
Jul 6 4.0 4.8
Jul 13 4.65 4.46
Jul 20 4.99 4.4
Jul 27 4.84 4.7
Aug 3 4.85 4.2
Aug 10 4.55 4.65
Aug 17 4.16 4.9
Aug 24 4.68 5.2
Aug 31 2.6 (Sat.) 6.0
Sep 7 2.6 (Sat.) 5.5
Sep 14 3.99 4.5
Sep 21 4.02 3.9
Sep 28 4.6 4.0
Oct 5 4.549 4.546
Oct 12 4.81 4.7
Oct 19 5.01 4.4
Oct 26 4.48 5.1
Nov 2 4.81 4.1
Nov 9 5.03 4.1
Nov 16 5.5 4.3
Nov 23 4.86 4.5
Nov 30 5.00 4.2
Dec 7 5.14 4.2
Dec 14 5.16 4.2
Dec 21 4.71 3.7
Dec 28 4.87 4.6

That period once WWF took over in April until the Goldberg-Hogan match is what I was talking about. Im on my phone and dont have the patience to look it up so I couldnt remember how long the time period was. But when WWF took over the ratings, WCW threw Goldberg out there to stop the bleeding, he got them back on top and they flip-flopped the ratings each week for the next lil while until WWF finally took over for good.

Goldberg was a huge huge star. That run in 98 is up there with the all-time greats. At that point he was carrying the company from a financial standpoint.

 

[Ill Lou Malnati]

Buggsy is pretty spot-on with most of these grades.

Austin, Rock and Hogan are the only dudes that deserve A+ status, IMO.

HHH is definitely B+. He's the King of the B+ guys though. Just a little bit under A-.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

I can't cosign that list. Listing Hogan as a better wrestler than Flair.

But when it comes to overall popularity, Hogan > Flair.

Trips may be the best heel, possibly ever, but he never drew as THAT main guy. Nobody wanted to see him. He's definitely a good worker; a B+ worker.

read the top of the first post nikka. it's not about who's the best wrestler. it's a combination of drawing power, mainstream appeal AND wrestling ability. of fukking course you rank Hogan above Flair when you consider all those.

 

[R=G]

Oh yeah..Goldberg should of been as big as Austin in history. Just didn't work out that way.

 

[MenacingMonk]

read the top of the first post nikka. it's not about who's the best wrestler. it's a combination of drawing power, mainstream appeal AND wrestling ability. of fukking course you rank Hogan above Flair when you consider all those.

Should of renamed it based on popularity. Hogan ain't shyt, Rock is decent with Austin the better of the 3. Flair is very popular, so wouldn't he be A+ based on your list?

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Piper is an A. He completely flipped the script on what a heel should be like and shyts on every modern heel on today's roster aside from Ambrose in terms of in-ring tenacity, promo skills and selling 'the fight', mannerisms. I don't think Wrestlemania would have been as big a hit if not for Piper selling the event like a pro. Hulk needed a worthy adversary and that person was Piper. Also, Piper "boxed" the most popular tv figure in the world in Wrestlemania II. Putting that as a B+ is...erroneous.

Triple H became the ring leader of one of the largest factions in wrestling: DX. It was originally Shawn's. But eventually Shawn went heel and joined the corporation. HHH took it to new heights afterwards and they were drawing in big, big money. HHH should be higher.

Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels should be higher.

John Cena should be higher since he's a draw.

Goldberg should be lower.

You have a good point about Piper. It's hard to argue his impact on Wrestlemania 1.. I just don't feel like he is an A player for some reason... but the more you talk me into it, I definitely feel he should above Triple Haitch, so if we're gonna call Trips a B+ player then maybe Piper should be above him I'm gonna move Piper up.

But you gotta with the Triple H as ringleader of DX shyt. Dude was always the sideshow to the main players (Rock and Austin).

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Should of renamed it based on popularity. Hogan ain't shyt, Rock is decent with Austin the better of the 3. Flair is very popular, so wouldn't he be A+ based on your list?

Hogan/Rock/Austin transcend wrestling. They are the 3 biggest stars ever.

Flair is right below them. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[R=G]

Should of renamed it based on popularity. Hogan ain't shyt, Rock is decent with Austin the better of the 3. Flair is very popular, so wouldn't he be A+ based on your list?

Flair being on the same level as Andre and Macho is debatable..he damn sure is not a industry mover like Hogan, Steve Austin, and the Rock. The Rock has never had a down period..so he's on some WHOLE other shyt in truth.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Oh yeah..Goldberg should of been as big as Austin in history. Just didn't work out that way.

but for a time period, he was....that's why he's A- and not A+. The run didnt have the legs. But it is still one of hte most successful runs on top ever.

 

[R=G]

A very short time but not industry shaking or anything like that. It was like a one year height. That's not enough to be amongst the top 5 greatest of all time. Not even close.

 

[The Electric Lady]

But you gotta with the Triple H as ringleader of DX shyt. Dude was always the sideshow to the main players (Rock and Austin).

Mmmm, I don't know about that especially since their feud in 1998 is what made both of them stars to begin with.

 

[Nintendough]

Flair being on the same level as Andre and Macho is debatable..he damn sure is not a industry mover like Hogan, Steve Austin, and the Rock. The Rock has never had a down period..so he's on some WHOLE other shyt in truth.

The mentally challenged leading the mentally challenged.

 

[Lewis Black]

When you factor in drawing power/mainstream appeal & popularity/wrestling ability. This is the definitive list:
A+
Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, The Rock
(honorary A+ inductee: Brock Lesnar... cause who's gonna tell him he's not, bytch nikka?)

A
Ric Flair, The Undertaker, Bruno Sammartino, Andre The Giant

A-
John Cena, Goldberg, Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior, King Kurtis Angle, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Sting

B+
Triple H, Edge, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Ricky Steamboat




Oh you didn't know? Yo ass better call somebody

List is a bit wrong.

A+ Hogan/Rock

A Austin, flair, macho man, andre the giant

A - John cena, Goldberg, undertaker

B+ Shawn, bret, triple h, sting, kurt