The "Kobe was a sidekick" argument needs to stop

[The Goodz]

If Memphis said no to the trade, LWO and Kobe stans would cease to exist

#THANKYOUPAU

 

[Absolut]

you knew the kobe stan train was headed for derailment in a brutal fashion, but some of these struggle ass threads the last few years are beyond what i expected. starting to be more sad than comical

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Kobe stopped being a sidekick once he won more championships without Shaq than Shaq did without Kobe...

Kobe stopped being a sidekick in 2009-2010? Damn...even I think he stopped being a sidekick earlier than that. Man, you cold.

Shaq was the most "dominant" player in the series because of his opposition... But Who did he play against directly? Vlade? Smitts? Ratliff? Mutumbo? How hard was it to drop 30 on them nikkas?

Yet Kobe was playing the best guards and then playing DEFENSE on the best guards... Even when they lost to the Pistons he was making life hell for Rip Hamilton..

So Defensive Player of the Year and all-time great Dikembe Mutombo is some bum, but Aaron Mckie and Kerry Kittles are amazing guards.

Kobe did match up against known "defensive great" Reggie Miller in 2000...but with Reggie averaging 24 ppg on 41/38/98 shooting while Kobe averaged 15 ppg on 37/20/91 shooting, can't exactly say it was an even matchup.

See, I'm not refuting the fact that Shaq was the most dominant player in the game or opposition was most concerned with stopping him. Im simply emphasizing the fact that Kobe's role in that offense was so enormous that he played like a primary option especially when Shaq was struggling with foul trouble or they needed to closeout a game. The man was taking twenty shots a game. What Robin does that? Who was he deferring to?....

Pippen never remotely approached Jordan as a scorer or general offensive player though, never a dominant scorer and a much different situation than Kobe/Shaq where it was fitting for them to alternate primary scoring roles given the situation of the game and the opposing defensive gameplan.

Since when did scoring become the whole game? You must hate Bill Russell...dude didn't score nearly enough for you. Magic Johnson was just a sidekick to Kareem when Kareem was the primary scorer, right? Bill Walton and Isaiah Thomas couldn't have been their teams' best player either as long as someone else was the main scoring option, huh. And Tim Duncan...talk about overrated, only taking 17 shots/game in all those championship years...what kind of real star does that?


Here's a test:

22/9/6 with 3 steals/game
21/5/4 with 2 steals/game
20/9/7 with 2 steals/game
20/7/6 with 2 steals/game
19/7/4 with 2 steals/game
17/9/6 with 3 steals/game
17/7/5 with 2 steals/game

Without cheating, which ones of those are Pippen's "sidekick" playoff stats, and which one is Kobe's "enormous role" playoff stat?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

If Memphis said no to the trade, LWO and Kobe stans would cease to exist

#THANKYOUPAU

The 2009 Finals were the first time in NBA history that a player was handed 4 Finals MVP's in a single year. Because, somehow, what a player does in 2009 thereby rewrites history in 2000/2001/2002. That's logic in Kobestan.


Can you imagine if 'Sheed had hit a couple shots in the 2000 WCF and Pippen had led Portland to his 7th ring? I mean, Jordan never won without Pippen, and Pippen would now have more ringz, therefore Pippen would have validated his previous 6 ringz and become greater than Jordan! #Kobestan

 

[O.T.I.S.]

You

Kobe stopped being a sidekick in 2009-2010? Damn...even I think he stopped being a sidekick earlier than that. Man, you cold.





So Defensive Player of the Year and all-time great Dikembe Mutombo is some bum, but Aaron Mckie and Kerry Kittles are amazing guards.

Kobe did match up against known "defensive great" Reggie Miller in 2000...but with Reggie averaging 24 ppg on 41/38/98 shooting while Kobe averaged 15 ppg on 37/20/91 shooting, can't exactly say it was an even matchup.






Since when did scoring become the whole game? You must hate Bill Russell...dude didn't score nearly enough for you. Magic Johnson was just a sidekick to Kareem when Kareem was the primary scorer, right? Bill Walton and Isaiah Thomas couldn't have been their teams' best player either as long as someone else was the main scoring option, huh. And Tim Duncan...talk about overrated, only taking 17 shots/game in all those championship years...what kind of real star does that?


Here's a test:

22/9/6 with 3 steals/game
21/5/4 with 2 steals/game
20/9/7 with 2 steals/game
20/7/6 with 2 steals/game
19/7/4 with 2 steals/game
17/9/6 with 3 steals/game
17/7/5 with 2 steals/game

Without cheating, which ones of those are Pippen's "sidekick" playoff stats, and which one is Kobe's "enormous role" playoff stat?

if you gonna quote me say something then nikka

Kobe stopped being CONSIDERED a sidekick to clowns like you once he won a ring on his own team... Then proceeded to go to the finals two more times in a row

And Mutombo

Mutombo could barely score yet alone guard Shaq.


And nikkas ask who Kobe guarded... So he didn't guard AI, Rip Hamilton, Pacers best wings, Kings best guards, Manu Ginobli or TP if he was hot.. On top of being guarded by the best wing defender on each team




And nikkas throwing hall of fame PF's in there like Shaq was guarding them nikkas foreal

 

[The Goodz]

So Defensive Player of the Year and all-time great Dikembe Mutombo is some bum, but Aaron Mckie and Kerry Kittles are amazing guards.

Kobe did match up against known "defensive great" Reggie Miller in 2000...but with Reggie averaging 24 ppg on 41/38/98 shooting while Kobe averaged 15 ppg on 37/20/91 shooting, can't exactly say it was an even matchup.

Kobe's matchups in the west during the three peat:

-Doug Christie

-Mario Elie

-Steve Smith

-Antonio Daniels

-Derek Anderson

-Bonzi Wells

-Stacey Augmon

-Bruce Bowen on the defensive end but on offense


All of them combined have an astonishing 1 all star appearance

So you Kobe stans have fun saying he beasted against these has beens

 

[The Goodz]

And nikkas ask who Kobe guarded... So he didn't guard AI, Rip Hamilton, Pacers best wings, Kings best guards, Manu Ginobli or TP if he was hot.. On top of being guarded by the best wing defender on each team

putting manu or tony parker on there discredits your credibility because Manu wasn't on the spurs during the lakers three-peat and TP was just a rookie in '02, manu got there in '03 which was coincidentally when the spurs first beat the lakers.

Shaq was guarding David Robinson, hes a hall of famer. your turn to name a hall of fame guard kobe guarded in the west.

AI averaged 35.6 a game in the finals, so Kobe didn't guard him very well

Reggie Miller averaged 30 pts per game, so again Kobe didn't guard him very well

Rip simply outplayed Kobe 4 games out of five

Kings wings was just doug Christie, peja broke through and became legit in '02

 

[JYoung24]

2000 playoffs is the only year u can get away with calling Kobe a sidekick after that they were 1A and 1B just cuz somone is the best player on the team doesn't make the other player a sidekick next year when durants back I would never call Westbrook a sidekick

 

[Brandsdale]

Shaq wouldn't have won more than one championship without Kobe... It's already been proven.

Shaq was the most "dominant" player in the series because of his opposition... But Who did he play against directly? Vlade? Smitts? Ratliff? Mutumbo? How hard was it to drop 30 on them nikkas?

Yet Kobe was playing the best guards and then playing DEFENSE on the best guards... Even when they lost to the Pistons he was making life hell for Rip Hamilton..


Shaq didn't even win shyt with Penny, Jones, Van Exel, etc... He didn't even win shyt when he tried to piggy back with Lebronze

Shaq is great, don't get me wrong. But he wasn't a champion until he met Kobe and if people don't understand that then they're most likely borderline retarded when it comes to basketball

you gotta respect diesel averaging 28 against Hakeem the Nigerian rim protecting gawd. Shaq was just out played

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Holy shyt, these Kobestans lie with no fukks given.

And Mutombo

Mutombo could barely score yet alone guard Shaq.

And Mutombo was DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR. He averaged 14 boards and 3 blocks a game. So if he couldn't guard Shaq, then what does that say about Shaq?

And nikkas ask who Kobe guarded... So he didn't guard AI, Rip Hamilton, Pacers best wings, Kings best guards, Manu Ginobli or TP if he was hot.. On top of being guarded by the best wing defender on each team

Pure ignorance.


"Pacers best wings" - as if you forgot Reggie Miller and Jalen Rose's names. Though Reggie outscored Kobe by 68 points and Jalen outscored him by 60 that series, so maybe you forgot on purpose. They both shot far better than Kobe too (41/37 and 47/50 to Kobe's 37/20). Good thing Shaq outscored Kobe by 20 points/game and Glen Rice/Robert Horry/Ron Harper/Rick Fox contributed well to make up for Kobe's shortcomings.

Kobe didn't guard Iverson, the only guy on the Lakers who could guard A.I. was Tyronne Lue. Kobe was demolished the times he stood in front of Iverson as if he could guard him. If Kobe was really guarding AI, then why did Iverson outscore Kobe by 55 points in just 5 games?

"Kings best guards" - Kobe guarded Doug Christie in 2002. If he guarded Mike Bibby, then why was Bibby putting up 23 ppg on 45% shooting that series?

Manu Ginobli WASN'T even on the Spurs until after 2002.

Tony Parker was a 19-year-old rookie in 2002, and Kobe guarded Bruce Bowen, not him.

Rip Hamilton DIDN'T even play Kobe during the 3-peat, and the Lakers got destroyed that series. Why didn't Kobe shut down Billups if he was always matched up against the best guard?


Damn, your list looks like a lot of bullshyt when held up to the light. The Goodz told you exactly who Kobe faced in those years, and it looks like a pretty sorry list compared to what you were claiming.

Remember, ya'all are always making the "RINGZ" argument, so you've got to defend all 3 of those "ringz" years, not the irrelevant losing years that happened later.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Here's a test. These are a few stat lines from an important series:

222 points,100 rebounds, 14 assists, 6 steals, 16 blocks
69 points, 15 rebounds, 10 assists, 5 steals, 1 block
65 points, 29 rebounds, 20 assists, 8 steals, 1 block
55 points, 31 rebounds, 17 assists, 5 steals, 6 blocks
78 points, 23 rebounds, 21 assists, 5 steals, 7 blocks

Now, which one of those is a "superstar" stat line, and which ones are "sidekick" stat lines?

 

[Sccit]

and the only reason why Kobe went to the finals is because the lakers needed to successfully pull off one of the most controversial trades in NBA history after getting that work by a Canadian two years straight in the first round of the postseason, and missed the playoffs one year. #FACTSONLY


So tell me with a straight face Pau's arrival didn't make Kobe relevant in the league again.

And didn't the lakers try to build a super team with Kobe, TWICE???

Get two super teams built and not win a 'ship brehs

U MEAN THE TRADE THAT MEMPHIS WON? LOL OK

 

[Rell84shots]

Anyone with common sense knows that was Shaq's team and without him the Lakers don't 3peat.

 

[The Goodz]

U MEAN THE TRADE THAT MEMPHIS WON? LOL OK

Memphis won??

So Marc gasol, Zachary Randolph > two rings

Negged on dumbassmanship alone

 

[Sccit]

Here's a test. These are a few stat lines from an important series:

222 points,100 rebounds, 14 assists, 6 steals, 16 blocks
69 points, 15 rebounds, 10 assists, 5 steals, 1 block
65 points, 29 rebounds, 20 assists, 8 steals, 1 block
55 points, 31 rebounds, 17 assists, 5 steals, 6 blocks
78 points, 23 rebounds, 21 assists, 5 steals, 7 blocks

Now, which one of those is a "superstar" stat line, and which ones are "sidekick" stat lines?

ADDRESS THE NUMBERS OF THE 2001 PLAYOFFS WHERE KOBE AVERAGES 35 VS THE SPURS AND 33 VS THE KINGS .. "SIDEKICK NUMBERS"


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