The Prince of All Saiyans
Formerly Jisoo Stan & @Twitter
why was it only 7 episodes?
"Yeah, it’s whatever the holistic story of the season requires. We don’t want to thin it out and we don’t want to pad it out just because there’s some expectation of an episode count. We want to make every episode meaningful and make every episode impactful. If that’s 10 episodes, if that’s six episodes, if that’s eight episodes, that’s something that we’ll discover as we break the season. But we’re not bound to a number."why was it only 7 episodes?
“Her sacrifice wouldn’t be 100% guaranteed.
You're absolutely right — and I acknowledged earlier that it wasn’t guaranteed. But guarantee isn’t the threshold for morally justifying the attempt.
So yes — not 100%, but uniqueness + stakes = justification for serious consideration.
“It’s 20 years after outbreak; most people are dead. A cure is pointless.”
Here’s where we disagree hard. Because even if 70%+ of humanity is gone, there are two realities the remaining population faces:
- Without a cure: Permanent tribal war, authoritarian zones, infection zones expanding forever, and zero hope of long-term rebuilding.
- With a cure: You end the threat of infection, which lets human beings stabilize, gather, and start re-establishing clean zones, agriculture, medicine, trade — aka, rebuilding actual civilization.
“They should’ve just moved on.”
This is what Joel believed, too. But that mindset — “we’ve survived this long, we can just adapt” — is exactly how broken cycles perpetuate.
- FEDRA wasn’t moving on.
- The WLF wasn’t moving on.
- The Seraphites weren’t moving on.
Everyone was stuck in paranoia, violence, or delusion.
yea...
first off they should have not used the same actress for ellie that they used in season 1, this actress made sense for season 1 but Ellie is much darker, reserved and serious in part 2 so the actress should have resembled that. Ellie still being an annoying brat is not consistent and it pisses me off lol who wrote this?
matter fact, ima rewrite the council scene.
tommys wife Maria: Ellie, your are next, say your peace
ellie: (sitting in her seat, staring at her hands as they shake-Dina reaches over and touches ellie's hands to reassure her that everything will be ok, ellie slowly stands up to speak with no paper in her hand) I'm not here to ask for your permission to do what needs to be done...This is happening and none of you are going to stop me. I appreciate all of you and how you've helped and supported me and Joel this whole time but this is something I must do. I will.....(hands start to tremble as Ellie looks down at her hands) I will....kill EVERYONE that had anything to do with Joel's murder...because.....(ellie intensely stares at Tommy) because he would do the same for me..or YOU, he would..BECAUSE THATS WHO HE WAS, and thats who I am. NOT doing something is going to kill me...I have to...i just have to.. (ellie looks down at Dina and then back up at Tommy and then over at Jesse-Jesse gives ellie a slight nod) (Ellie then heads to the exit with Dina following her out)
reddit worse than thecoli when it comes to ellie face. them dudes said she look like buzz light year![]()
first off, we need to make a distinction between making a cure vs a vaccine
cure = relieves a person from a disease
vaccine = prevents a person from getting a disease
On paper, that sounds coldly logical. But in reality? Still wrong.first off, we need to make a distinction between making a cure vs a vaccine
cure = relieves a person from a disease
vaccine = prevents a person from getting a disease
The truth is there could never be a cure for this cordyceps …. even if the sacrifice from Ellie was 100% successful and they was able to mass produce the so-called cure , how in the hell are they supposed to insert this into the infected which is runners stalkers clickers and bloaters who are trying to kill them? But once again, i’ll played devils advocate to this notion that they are indeed able to inject this cure into all infected
what does this really do? … because the story goes once a individual is bitten and becomes infected the cordyceps travels directly to the head and immediately starts to kill all brain cells in which the fungi takes over … so with that said a cure would only kill the fungi/cordyceps leaving each and every individual brain dead … so again, and again , and again and again …. It is pretty much useless coming up with a cure at this point of over two decades.
In reality, we can say the presidents and world leaders failed humanity
Because after a couple of years into the outbreak, there should’ve been a decision to basically save the bright and brightest with their families and put them in the bunker with food, medication, machinery, etc., etc., and just nuke the whole entire planet … and once the radiation became manageable, start life/civilization/humanity all over
Because people are still getting infected. Every day.
The world is in constant fear, still losing numbers.
20 years of fighting doesn’t mean they’re used to it — it means they’re hanging on by threads.
Ellie’s immunity was nature’s answer to humanity’s failure.
It’s the one miracle after the nukes didn’t fall, after the plans failed, after governments collapsed.
And Joel burned it to the ground.
Ellie didn’t need to save everyone.
She just needed to make it possible for the world to start trying again.
Like just in episode 2 we saw Marie have to kill one of the jackson ppl because they got bit, with nothing else wrong with him. If a vaccine is in his system, he doesnt have to be killed. It would take years, if not decades but the infected would be killed off and cease to exist.Fear of infection disappears.
On paper, that sounds coldly logical. But in reality? Still wrong.
Why?
A working vaccine means:
- Firefly fighters no longer risk turning if bitten.
- Supply runners can move more freely.
- New zones and agriculture can expand without infection collapse.
- Kids can grow up without being walking corpses-in-waiting.
A vaccine wouldn’t restore the old world, but it would finally give the new one a future.
4. “World leaders should’ve nuked the planet and restarted civilization in bunkers.”
This is the darkest — and most radical — part of your argument.
But let’s break that down:
- Nuking the world wouldn’t kill the fungus. Cordyceps is a spore-based organism that would thrive in post-blast conditions — heat-resistant, airborne, and mutating.
- Bunkers with “the brightest minds” already existed (Salt Lake City hospital, Fireflies, even FEDRA zones), and still failed because isolation doesn’t solve biological pandemics without research.
- Also… that plan would have sacrificed billions of innocent people — most of whom weren’t infected. You’re suggesting total genocide in the hopes that a few smart families could restart life in 80 years? That’s not survival. That’s eugenic extinction.
Final challenge to your argument:
You're absolutely right that a vaccine wouldn’t fix everything.
But saying it would fix nothing is false.
Even one working vaccine changes the rules:
- Fear of infection disappears.
- Kids can be born immune.
- Civilization can finally expand instead of contract.
And here’s the truth:
Joel robbed the world of that.