The Lebron Effect :wow: this pic says it all

[Malta]

Ramon Sessions STARTED more games at PG for the 2011 Cavs than Mo Williams played for the Cavs period in 2011

Varejao played 31 games. ...are seasons only 31 games now?

Varejao missed 51 games that season...Hickson started more games at Center than Varejao did with Jamison at PF


Stop lying to the public


It wasn't the same team.

@ How rusty your basketball post game is.

Hickson started 73 games the season before that when LeBron was still there, so what point are you trying to make B?

Mo Williams was injured to start the season which is why Sessions started, once Mo was healthy again he came back to the lineup.

They had 3 starters from the previous season

 

[Malta]

Do yall even remember how Swiss Cheese the Cavs interior defense was before Mozgov?

Do yall not remember Dion Waiters taking step back long twos with 18 seconds left on the play clock?

Do yall not remember watching Shawn Marion hitting the side of the back board on corner three attempts?

Do yall not remember Mike Miller having the audacity of putting on an NBA uniform in 2015?

Joe Harris taking 8 shots in 7 minutes of play?

LeBron was holding Dion back though

 

[FTBS]

Do yall even remember how Swiss Cheese the Cavs interior defense was before Mozgov?

Do yall not remember Dion Waiters taking step back long twos with 18 seconds left on the play clock?

Do yall not remember watching Shawn Marion hitting the side of the back board on corner three attempts?

Do yall not remember Mike Miller having the audacity of putting on an NBA uniform in 2015?

Joe Harris taking 8 shots in 7 minutes of play?

Yet who was catching the heat for the 19-20 start even though he missed 8 games in which the team went 1-7? If people wanna have in depth thorough accurate analysis then I am with that. However if people are gonna be basic and narrative driven then it must be consistent.

 

[Newzz]

Do yall even remember how Swiss Cheese the Cavs interior defense was before Mozgov?

Do yall not remember Dion Waiters taking step back long twos with 18 seconds left on the play clock?

Do yall not remember watching Shawn Marion hitting the side of the back board on corner three attempts?

Do yall not remember Mike Miller having the audacity of putting on an NBA uniform in 2015?

Joe Harris taking 8 shots in 7 minutes of play?

Those were 3 great acquisitions by the Cavs which really helped turn their season around (Mozgov, Jr, and Shump)

 

[FTBS]

@ How rusty your basketball post game is.

Hickson started 73 games the season before that when LeBron was still there, so what point are you trying to make B?

Mo Williams was injured to start the season which is why Sessions started, once Mo was healthy again he came back to the lineup.

They had 3 starters from the previous season

They had Mo Pippen and Tawn Grant they should've been good .

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Been meaning to ask you...what's up with the colloquial phonetic spelling?

That aside you make an excellent point that will go ignored or be spun in some way. nikkas don't even try to be coherent anymore.

Dat's how I post, breh. Auto correct learned a long time ago wit me...it ain't bout dat life.

Oh, and you already know logic and reason are absolutely nullified when it comes to any & all things Lebron. But summa dese nikkas need legit therapy.

 

[Newzz]

@ How rusty your basketball post game is.

Hickson started 73 games the season before that when LeBron was still there, so what point are you trying to make B?

Mo Williams was injured to start the season which is why Sessions started, once Mo was healthy again he came back to the lineup.

They had 3 starters from the previous season

The point I'm making is that only 5 players from the 2010 Cavs team was on the 2011 Cavs team for the majority of the season

It wasn't the same team so posting the records of the 2 teams mean nothing.

Counting Mo Williams and Andy....you might as well count Baron Davis as well too

 

[jaguar paw]

Yet who was catching the heat for the 19-20 start even though he missed 8 games in which the team went 1-7? If people wanna have in depth thorough accurate analysis then I am with that. However if people are gonna be basic and narrative driven then it must be consistent.

So LeBron wasn't partly guilty for the rocky start? Was he being the best leader he could be before the trades?

 

[Malta]

The point I'm making is that only 5 players from the 2010 Cavs team was on the 2011 Cavs team for the majority of the season

It wasn't the same team so posting the records of the 2 teams mean nothing.

Counting Mo Williams and Andy....you might as well count Baron Davis as well too

Your point is irrelevant, the Cavs were awful from start to finish of that season.

3 of those 5 players were starters, 4 since Jamison took over the starting spot towards the end of the previous season. Right now, your position is in place, you're trying to downplay the loss of LeBron to that team, we see what happened with the Heat this year which makes your position even more worthy.

 

[FTBS]

So LeBron wasn't partly guilty for the rocky start? Was he being the best leader he could be before the trades?

So he's not partly responsible for them being in the position they are in now?

 

[HHR]

bonus here's a cool pic I found

That pic is a cool idea but terrible Photoshop lol. The rim is fukking huge compared to the Brons

 

[jaguar paw]

So he's not partly responsible for them being in the position they are in now?

I never said he doesn't deserve credit. My point is they ALL deserve credit for being here. They got here as a collective because they all bought in and played for each other.

You want to talk about narratives tho?

LeBron was healthy enough to play against the Hawks in Atlanta on 12/30. He simply told the team that he wasn't going to play because he didn't feel like it.

The Cavaliers then decided to shut him down and make over the roster. Those trades saved this season from being a train wreck along with LeBron's renewed focus and amped up leadership.

 

[Newzz]

Your point is irrelevant, the Cavs were awful from start to finish of that season.

3 of those 5 players were starters, 4 since Jamison took over the starting spot towards the end of the previous season. Right now, your position is in place, you're trying to downplay the loss of LeBron to that team, we see what happened with the Heat this year which makes your position even more worthy.

They just didn't lose LeBron is my position

They lost 10 of the 15 players on their roster from the previous season, so to just post the records...as if the teams were the same, just missing LeBron James, in an attempt to make it seem that LeBron was the sole reason the team fell so far...isn't factual at all


Any team that lost 10 of its players from the previous year...including the 2nd best player in the world at the time...would suffer the same fate if you're replacing them with worse players

 

[FTBS]

I never said he doesn't deserve credit. My point is they ALL deserve credit for being here. They got here as a collective because they all bought in and played for each other.

You want to talk about narratives tho?

LeBron was healthy enough to play against the Hawks in Atlanta on 12/30. He simply told the team that he wasn't going to play because he didn't feel like it.

The Cavaliers then decided to shut him down and make over the roster. Those trades saved this season from being a train wreck along with LeBron's renewed focus and amped up leadership.

I never said he didn't deserve blame then or that the other players didn't deserve credit. All I know is that nobody is gonna be talking about them nikkas if they lose. Nobody woulda been talking about them if they had been eliminated before this. There is no train to wreck if Bron doesn't come back. Like I said, however you wanna look at if you are consistent and logical I can get with it.

 

[onelastdeath]

The better argument is how they went from 61-21 in 2009 to 19-63 in 2010