The Liberal Tears When Hillary Starts Implementing Her Policies :banderas:

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but the days of the conservatives are ending

Misinformed optimist have been saying this since the countries founding.

Republicans control both the governor’s mansion and legislature in 24 states, 70 of the nation’s 99 state legislative chambers, both chambers in 30 states, plus Nebraska’s single chamber, and 31 governor’s mansions.
One party system: What total Republican control of a state really means

And then you nikkas complain when you can't pass laws :dame:
 

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im sure they will embrace them this time. and at this point i dont think money is as important as it was years ago. with the way media and social media is, its much easier to get your message out there. the money is just a cherry on top.

bernie got the money for himself because people agreed with his message. the same will go for others who utilize social media properly. he's actually made it incredibly easy for anybody progressive and interested in a political career, just piggyback bernies wave. he did half the work for them already. its up to people to go and actually vote for them.

but im just eating off the conservative party dying, i'll get into squabbling about how liberal somebody is next election when it'll probably be more relevant :yeshrug:
No. It is still shown that money is a stronger predictor of who will win. What you're saying is just conjecture. There's also no reason to believe that they will embrace the left this time around when all the leaked emails show they hate them and when Clinton's entire transition team is filled with centrists.
 

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Why would progressives who want universal healthcare, an end to law-and-order criminal justice, increased taxes for the 1%, increased funding in infrastructure, reverse in citizens united, and reduced militarism unite with Trump :russell:
The last 3 are Trump's position, and he flirted with the first one earlier on during the primary. There is a lot more overlap between Trump and Sanders than most liberals are willing to admit, because it's a scary proposition for them. There is plenty of shared space for a candidate to pop up, speaking to both Trump and Sanders' constituencies.
 

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The last 3 are Trump's position, and he flirted with the first one earlier on during the primary. There is a lot more overlap between Trump and Sanders than most liberals are willing to admit, because it's a scary proposition for them. There is plenty of shared space for a candidate to pop up, speaking to both Trump and Sanders' constituencies.

You can't increase infrastructure spending through Trumps deficit increasing tax plan. Trumps position, and the Republican position is about cost shifting away from other domestic programs - something progressives are absolutely against.

Trump is not going to elect a justice to the court that will reverse citizens united - stop it.

The man against the Iran deal, the man against the current ISIS battle plan, the man who pledged an active-duty Army of about 540,000. That’s up from about 475,000 today; said he will “build an Air Force of at least 1,200 aircraft, which the Heritage Foundation notes is the minimum needed to deal with major contingencies.”; said he “will build a Navy approaching 350 surface ships and submarines.” That’s more than the Navy’s goal of restoring the fleet to 308 vessels; is now for reduced militarism? Stop it.

Just because you can say "there is plenty of shared space" doesn't mean it's actually true.
 

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Misinformed optimist have been saying this since the countries founding.

Republicans control both the governor’s mansion and legislature in 24 states, 70 of the nation’s 99 state legislative chambers, both chambers in 30 states, plus Nebraska’s single chamber, and 31 governor’s mansions.
One party system: What total Republican control of a state really means

And then you nikkas complain when you can't pass laws :dame:
if they werent dying, gay people wouldnt have just got a shyt load of new rights and we wouldnt have a black guy and unliked woman be president back to back. they run everything else cause people stay at home all the time but the conservative nature of the country as a whole is dying. fukk we might have a transexual president next :dame:




also they been fukking up the district lines
 
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No. It is still shown that money is a stronger predictor of who will win. What you're saying is just conjecture. There's also no reason to believe that they will embrace the left this time around when all the leaked emails show they hate them and when Clinton's entire transition team is filled with centrists.
money is and will continue to be less relevant in the day and age where you can connect to people so easily and get famous so easily. bernie didnt get famous because of boatloads of money all he needed was "feel the bern" and twitter. that will be the recipe for success for the next progressive that chooses to ride his wave. and since hillary is so horrible it will be even easier for them because she will be an unliked and horrid president, right :sas2:






and on the second point, i thought hillary was in debt to bernie, so you are saying she and her colleagues wont embrace the progressive movement? :sas1: is it oochie wally or one mic? :sas2:
 

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I haven't been alive for very long, but I don't think I've ever seen someone more set up to be a one-term president than Hillary Clinton. :mjlol:

She has four years to salvage what's left of her reputation and hope that the Republicans implode again in 2020.


Honestly, unless the GOP takes a serious look in the mirror and does something to get more female/minority votes she'll still be a two-term president.

Any demographic changes between now and 2020 are going to favor the Democrats. If they couldn't beat 2012 Obama and can't beat Hillary, I don't see anything changing in four years. Even if Hillary has an awful term I doubt the GOP will stop being racist/sexist long enough to take advantage of it. Any moderate Republican is going to get primaried again and we'll probably get another Trump type.
 

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if they werent dying gay people wouldnt have just got a shyt load of new rights and we wouldnt have a black guy and unliked woman be president back to back. they run everything else cause people stay at home all the time but the conservative nature of the country as a whole is dying. fukk we might have a transexual president next :dame:
No.

This is completely not true and neo-liberal juju.

The LGBT got a ton of new rights because democrats, who voted for DOMA in the 90s, voted against it this century due to electorate majorities in key state legislatures and within key battleground states. The fight was won when DEMOCRATS decided to no longer play politics with the rights of the LGBT community.

DOMA was repealed by the Supreme court 5-4. Kagan and Sotomayor's appoitments were the only reasons conservatives had to fall back on this issue. And Kagan and Sotomayor are only on the bench because 1) Obama won the presidency in 2008 (by 10million people); 2) The democrats had a senate majority.

It had nothing to do with the conservative nature dying because the democrats lost the senate two months after Kagan's appointment.

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Kennedy, joined by Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor, Kagan
Dissent Roberts
Dissent Scalia, joined by Thomas; Roberts (part I)
Dissent Alito, joined by Thomas (parts II, III)

How you think 5-4 is the harbinger of death is beyond me.

Obama only beat Romney by 5 million votes. He crushed him through the electoral college, but there were only 5 million more liberal voters than conservatives.

Conservatism is going nowhere.

This is why you, Hillary, and the rest of the Democratic establishment didn't see a Trump victory coming. You're stuck in 2008. :dame:
 

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money is and will continue to be less relevant in the day and age where you can connect to people so easily and get famous so easily. bernie didnt get famous because of boatloads of money all he needed was "feel the bern" and twitter. that will be the recipe for success for the next progressive that chooses to ride his wave. and since hillary is so horrible it will be even easier for them because she will be an unliked and horrid president, right :sas2:






and on the second point, i thought hillary was in debt to bernie, so you are saying she and her colleagues wont embrace the progressive movement? :sas1: is it oochie wally or one mic? :sas2:
Bernie Sanders was a unique candidate in a presidential race. State house and senate races or even federal congressional races will not garner that level of attention or enthusiasm. Someone from Boston is not likely to donate 50 dollars to help the liberal state senate candidate from Kansas win. Sanders had the entire nation sending him money like Voltron with much of it coming from places like Seattle. It's like you guys understand people or millennials based on what the media tells you instead of actually talking with them or understanding those dynamics. Less than 25% of people in the US state that they talk about politics online. Moreover, people being connected by social media is true but activating that social media energy into active political energy is another thing. People don't even research the shyt celebrities give them, and they're obsessed with celebs. Imagine politicians.

In re to progressive movement: Embracing something and embracing it earnestly are two different things.
 

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since the country is only getting more liberal it looks like (atleast taking this board as a small example) the new thing will be to call everyone a neocon/neoliberal who doesnt agree with you


the movement couldnt even get out and vote in the prophet bernie against a historically unlikeable candidate. i'll wait for them to get off the couch and make some moves in the midterms before we start talking about them actually getting a presidency
that realpolitik :to:


I love ya'll boys man :mjcry:
 

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You can't increase infrastructure spending through Trumps deficit increasing tax plan. Trumps position, and the Republican position is about cost shifting away from other domestic programs - something progressives are absolutely against.

Trump is not going to elect a justice to the court that will reverse citizens united - stop it.

The man against the Iran deal, the man against the current ISIS battle plan, the man who pledged an active-duty Army of about 540,000. That’s up from about 475,000 today; said he will “build an Air Force of at least 1,200 aircraft, which the Heritage Foundation notes is the minimum needed to deal with major contingencies.”; said he “will build a Navy approaching 350 surface ships and submarines.” That’s more than the Navy’s goal of restoring the fleet to 308 vessels; is now for reduced militarism? Stop it.

Just because you can say "there is plenty of shared space" doesn't mean it's actually true.
It doesn't matter if it's feasible or not, what matters is the narrative being pushed. The "unrealistic" argument you just used against Trump is the same one used against a certain candidate during the primaries...who was that again...oh right, Bernie Sanders. Both campaigns attempted to expand the realm of what was conceived of as politically realistic.

Trump has never backed away from his position of increasing infrastructure spending. In fact, he says he wants to double Hillary's infrastructure numbers. Trump's position on this, and many domestic issues, has been antithetical to Republican orthodoxy, so attempting to jam them together is an act of historical revisionism.
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Just as much as, if not more than, Sanders, Trump has made political bribery a core issue in his campaign. From the first Republican Primary debate when he called out every other Republican candidate as being bought off to the last Presidential debate we just saw when he called out Hillary for being beholden to the donor class, he's been consistent in his critique of money in politics.

The point isn't that Trump is secretly a progressive Democrat, it's that due to certain historical and socio-economic factors, the traditional Republican-Democrat paradigm is becoming increasingly irrelevant. So whereas someone looking through that outdated lens would see Trump on the far right, Clinton in the middle, and Sanders on the far left, a more up-to-date analysis would show that Trump and Sanders are actually tapping into similar underlying factors to paint their political picture. If you were to do a word-match from all of the candidates rallies and speeches, you'd find a closer correlation between Trump and Sanders than Clinton and Sanders. Words like "rigged", "corrupt", "special interests", "donors", "NAFTA", "TPP" show up frequently in both Trump and Sanders' wheelhouse. And those are the words both of their supporters most latch on to. Don't get it twisted, Sanders campaign wasn't some big corporate diversity pitch. That was Clinton's, which is why she can so easily paint an oppositional narrative to Trump. The protests Sanders' supporters launched on the floor of the DNC wasn't about getting more women's representation in media or using politically correct terminology about immigration and islam, it was criticizing damaging trade deals and the war machine. On which side of those issues is Trump on? That's right. Ultimately, Sanders was talking about material changes to the underlying structure of American society, which is what Trump is talking about, which is why he's been namechecking Bernie every time he opens his mouth over the past few months.

It's impossible (and irresponsible) to ignore the obvious racial dynamics fuelling elements of Trump's campaign, which is the gulf that would need to be traversed by this potential unifier, but to try and paint the Trump campaign with one big "bigot!" brush as the media and HRC's campaign are attempting to do, is intentionally squashing any sort of revolutionary potential to come out of this election. And the fact that Trump didn't lose any of his core support when he went into that church in Detroit and sang the praises of the black community, or when he promoted the equality of the LGBT community during his RNC speech signals to me that these "deplorables" are willing to forgo their bigotry if someone can speak to their material condition. I believe their anti-elitism may be stronger than their racism.
 
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