THE MISEDUCATION OF HIP HOP'S MAINSTREAM

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Look at my response above and you'll see my point. My friend is a writer and he's chilling here visiting for the week and I had him read that article too. He said it was fairly well written, but your Daughters vs. those other songs should have been more qualified. To quote him, "That's a bit much. In Paris is one of those In Da Club type records. He should've said something like (not verbatim):

"And with a generation that has grown up on Hip Hop Nas' ballad will undoubtedly prove to be more relatable as that generation grows into manhood. It may very well mean more in the future, to most of its listeners, than it does now. It's legacy, is still untold. Unlike, nikkas in Paris, which has plateaued, every year Nas' song will mean more to a growing number of listeners--sitting in the stands, harassing at home, sitting uneasily in the ER and gazing into the classroom. In Paris' impact however, will be relegated to the club, and the arena (which this guy Ziggly pointed out fairly well), and in that regard it will fail to match Daughters in its personal ubiquity. That way he's making his case without somehow pretending In Paris is some sort of Florida track that no one will play next year."

I think he's right, and that was my only point. You did good work. I still don't see the image.


I want you to know that I really appreciate your constructive criticism, even though we might not see eye to eye it's still good to be able to have a good discussion and get a feel for our different perspectives view my work. Thanks.



This is the image I tried to use. Don't know why it's not showing


http://www.teachingmedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/hip-hop.hiphop.jpg
 

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I want you to know that I really appreciate your constructive criticism, even though we might see eye to eye it's still good to be able to have a good discussion and get a feel for our different perspectives view my work. Thanks.



This is the image I tried to use. Don't know why it's not showing


http://www.teachingmedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/hip-hop.hiphop.jpg

I'll insert bro. The link you had before was to the google search for the image for whatever reason.
 
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Look at my response above and you'll see my point. My friend is a writer and he's chilling here visiting for the week and I had him read that article too. He said it was fairly well written, but your Daughters vs. those other songs should have been more qualified. To quote him, "That's a bit much. In Paris is one of those In Da Club type records. He should've said something like (not verbatim):

"And with a generation that has grown up on Hip Hop Nas' ballad will undoubtedly prove to be more relatable as that generation grows into manhood. It may very well mean more in the future, to most of its listeners, than it does now. It's legacy, is still untold. Unlike, nikkas in Paris, which has plateaued, every year Nas' song will mean more to a growing number of listeners--sitting in the stands, harassing at home, sitting uneasily in the ER and gazing into the classroom. In Paris' impact however, will be relegated to the club, and the arena (which this guy Ziggly pointed out fairly well), and in that regard it will fail to match Daughters in its personal ubiquity. That way he's making his case without somehow pretending In Paris is some sort of Florida track that no one will play next year."

I think he's right, and that was my only point. You did good work. I still don't see the image.

I'll insert bro. The link you had before was to the google search for the image for whatever reason.


And for the record, what I was attempting to convey is more along with what your friend said, I wasn't trying to infer that nobody would be listening to nikkas In Paris past this year, I was saying that the IMPACT of the song would gradually lessen while Daughters would gradually increase. I like nikkas In Paris and agreed that it deserved Best Performance. I just didn't agree that it deserved Best SONG over Daughters and the way your friend put it might have highlighted that a bit better..
 

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And for the record, what I was attempting to convey is more along with what your friend said, I wasn't trying to infer that nobody would be listening to nikkas In Paris past this year, I was saying that the IMPACT of the song would gradually lessen while Daughters would gradually increase. I like nikkas In Paris and agreed that it deserved Best Performance. I just didn't agree that it deserved Best SONG over Daughters and the way your friend put it might have highlighted that a bit better..

I knew what you meant, but that's because I see you post. I was just reading it objectively. I know you're not that biased. Anyhow, here's the link: Nas, Jay-Z, Kanye West, and Hip-Hop snubs at the Grammys

I would edit that into your first post, I'd do it for you but I don't mod the booth. You should probably also cut down the original post into a snippet or preview :salute:
 
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personally i don't see why any MC's go to the grammys anyway. it's an industry thing, something that is probably pushed by the labels and because it's seen as some sort of status symbol, a lot of artists are happy when they are niminated. if another award show came up & started giving out actual good choices over all the genres then the grammys would probably lose steam fairly quickly but the label & industry big wigs wouldn't let that happen JUST because the grammys are such an instution.

it doesn't help when The Source and other people that are supposedly "more hip hop" are not much better when it comes to awarding artists. if i was an artist i would never go to the grammys, even if all the hip hop awards were televised. back in the 80s & early 90s i think that was a good reason to boycott because they were snubbing hip hop altogether but these days it's a weak reason because they cant air every award of every genre so why should hip hop get some special status when they're just gonna fukk up the noms & winners 98% of the time anyway?

This is a valid point that I have thought about and intend to touch on in part 2 of my opinion piece. Stay tuned...
 

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why can't the grammy be as credible and knowledgable as Film awards like Caan, Oscars, or even Sundance? the academy don't give a fukk about how much money a nominated movie made in the box office. They often nominate odd ball indy or foriegn film.

Why 2chainz was nominated instead of Killer Mike?

to me, the grammy seem like a popularity contest.
 
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why can't the grammy be as credible and knowledgable as Film awards like Caan, Oscars, or even Sundance? the academy don't give a fukk about how much money a nominated movie made in the box office. They often nominate odd ball indy or foriegn film.

Why 2chainz was nominated instead of Killer Mike?

to me, the grammy seem like a popularity contest.

That's the basis of what I'm trying to convey
 

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why can't the grammy be as credible and knowledgable as Film awards like Caan, Oscars, or even Sundance? the academy don't give a fukk about how much money a nominated movie made in the box office. They often nominate odd ball indy or foriegn film.

Why 2chainz was nominated instead of Killer Mike?

to me, the grammy seem like a popularity contest.

It HAS to be a popularity contest... It's on a major network in primetime on a Sunday night..They can't justify charging sponsors all that money without promoting and awarding the biggest stars in music..

If you want it to be pure reflection of the best of modern art you would have to remove money from the equation..


And I think you are overstating the credibility of those other awards shows...Dances With Wolves beat Goodfellas..The Wire didn't receive one writing or acting award during it's entire run.. The entire system is corrupted by money and potential for influence...

Good job Zig....
 
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had Nas won, I'm 99% positive that piece would've been written a different way.. :laff:

you knew all of this beforehand.. yet, you make an "official Grammy" thread basically counting down to the moment of the show, and now this..? :childplease:

jokes..
 
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had Nas won, I'm 99% positive that piece would've been written a different way.. :laff:

you knew all of this beforehand.. yet, you make an "official Grammy" thread basically counting down to the moment of the show, and now this..? :childplease:

jokes..

In all fairness, I didn't realize that the important rap ceremonies weren't televised before I made the Official Grammy Thread, with that said, I would've made the thread either way as it pertains to Hip Hop. Weren't you the one just bytching and griping about the lack of legitimate Hip Hop music discussion on these boards? Both the Official Grammy thread and this article were written with the express intent to discuss and debate Hip Hop's placement within the mainstream.

Now of your not going to contribute to that discussion then exit stage right nikka:childplease:
 
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In all fairness, I didn't realize that the important rap ceremonies weren't televised before I made the Official Grammy Thread, with that said, I would've made the thread either way as it pertains to Hip Hop. Weren't you the one just bytching and griping about the lack of legitimate Hip Hop music discussion on these boards? Both the Official Grammy thread and this article were written with the express intent to discuss and debate Hip Hop's placement within the mainstream.

Now of your not going to contribute to that discussion then exit stage right nikka:childplease:



and, they let you write.. :heh:

the Grammys isnt a "legitimate hip-hop discussion".. never has been.. you got all excited, because you thought Nas was gonna win.. actually made a "Official Grammy thread", and now that he didnt- you write some baseless tangent that could've just been tallied up into:

"I was hyped Nas was in it.. even made a thread, days in advance of the award being presented, with the sole intent of knowing my favorite artist was up for a Grammy.. but, he lost.. :to: and, now im gonna write this.."

all that with purpose about the mainstream, is just some random bs to throw on top.. you clearly, had a bias going into not only the thread you originally, but how you wrote the article in regards to how the event turned out for your favorite rapper...

like i said- had Nas won, this article wouldn't be written.. instead of keeping it real, you trying to attack me.. someone else in this same thread said you're bias, and you say nothing about it.. i say it, and look at how you act..

i see thru ya bullshyt.. its really that simple.. :yeshrug:
 
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