The Myth Of the Dark Ages (to hide the Moors' massive contribution to Science and Art)

[Saiyajin]

The term once characterized the majority of the Middle Ages, or roughly the 6th to 14th centuries, as a period of intellectual darkness between extinguishing the "light of Rome" after the end of Late Antiquity, and the rise of the Italian Renaissance in the 14th century.[3][4] This definition is still sometimes found in popular use

Is it a coincidence that the Dark Ages time period almost completely overlaps with the entire period where Al-Andalus was a superpower and the center of scientific knowledge? No, The enlightenment was literally the Europeans being Enlightened by the knowledge Moors which they could not access until the 14th century. The Dark ages covers up the Moors and makes it seem as if Europe achieved the accomplishments of the Renaissance completely on there own. Like they just woke up one day and decided to do start contributing to science

Crazy coincidence that almost all art of this time period was lost but all works from the period before the Middle Ages and after the Renaissance were preserved? Or how we knew how the people of the middle ages lived, what they ate, everything related to their culture but suddenly we have no idea wtf happened from a random 700 year block of time? For 700 years straight all recorded history was lost? Or could it be that all art of the Moors ruling them was destroyed? They didn't want the world to know how much of their art and culture was an imitation of the Moors.

We know for a fact that Chivalry, poetry, values and culture was directly taken from the Moors. Read the Moors section here Chivalry - Wikipedia

The bitterness they held for the Moors

Do you think its a coincidence that so much of the cacs scientific work was originally in Latin and in the time period after the Moors? They spoke so many languages in Europe but almost all significant scientific accomplishments were in Latin, this isn't a coincidence. The only language that came into contact with the Arabic speaking Moors was Latin, because the Moors allowed the Christians to live peacefully for 700 years. The Moors had entire libraries of the scientific knowledge of the Muslim empire that the contributed to and learned from, I could write another thread just on how much was straight up stolen.

This was found from a book written at the time

"The intelligent and eloquent people are bewitched by the sound of Arabic and they look down on Latin. They have started to write in the language of those who defeated them"

Never forget that the Moors were so feared that these clowns still celebrate the ONLY victory they had, the Battle of Tours. They claim that was the Battle that saved Europe from being completely conquered, really the Moors had no interest in Europe and historians believe they viewed the "franks" as primitive creatures. They had no interest in War, all 3 Abraham religions coexisted in peace for 7 centuries straight. Charlemagne who desired to conquer everything he could, tried to conquer Spain, was humbled and humiliated so he apologized and turned the other way and easily conquered Europe, his only defeat was at the hands of the Moors.

700 years is a very long time, don't let propaganda erase it. They glorify the past 100 years of science to act like it was something new. Malcolm X commanded everyone to go out and read history from actual Historians.

tl dr: I know this may seem long af but its important to read entirely

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update: further proof

The Moorish Influence On Renaiss

Without the influence of the Muslims, the European Renaissance would have never taken place. Only through the connection with al-Andalus and its technological and cultural achievements, the translations of Greco-Roman texts first into Arabic and then back into Latin, and the scholarship of Muslims throughout the world was the Renaissance allowed to happen. In the years leading up to the fourteenth century it was Muslims who conducted the greatest scholarship, leading the way for Europeans from the 14th to 17th century.

 

[Xcoyote]

"A number of achievements that advanced Islamic and Western science came from al-Andalus including major advances in trigonometry (Geber), astronomy (Arzachel), surgery (Abulcasis), pharmacology (Avenzoar), and other fields. Al-Andalus became a major educational center for Europe and the lands around the Mediterranean Sea as well as a conduit for culture and science between the Islamic and Christian worlds."

^straight from wikipedia,OP

 

[Saiyajin]

@KidStranglehold do you have anything to add to this? I know you have a thorough understanding and I think it's important that people are aware so atleast the remaining history is not lost. Also important because of the lies that white supremacist peddle based on taking advantage of the ignorance of history. The biggest lie of the white supremacist is that they are ONLY MORALLY wrong. When in fact they are FACTUALLY wrong first and foremost.

I mean damn im still shocked that they glorify knighthood to this day on shows like Game of Thrones, but it was all originally the imitation of the Moors.

One of the most misleading things in my opinion is the Europeans of the time referring to the Moors as Arabs because they spoke Arabic. We now know that the Moors were the Arabs if referenced regarding Al-Andalus and they spoke Arabic because they were deeply religious and their study of Religion (Islam) and Science were inherently linked. If the Europeans wanted to refer to what we now call the Arab race, they used the term Saracen instead which was the racial term

 

[Saiyajin]

"A number of achievements that advanced Islamic and Western science came from al-Andalus including major advances in trigonometry (Geber), astronomy (Arzachel), surgery (Abulcasis), pharmacology (Avenzoar), and other fields. Al-Andalus became a major educational center for Europe and the lands around the Mediterranean Sea as well as a conduit for culture and science between the Islamic and Christian worlds."

^straight from wikipedia,OP

yea exactly you have to go look for this information to find it. Most people dont even know that they should begin to look

how many people know about Al-Andalus? You need to be aware of something to seek info on it. Ask someone where Al-Andalus was they wont know. Ask them who any of those scientists were they wont know. But the entire world knows Galileo, and Newton. Newton himself directly used the book of optics written by a Muslim scholar 600 years before he was born.

Most people don't even know that Newton used Kepler's work to discover gravity and Kepler himself thanks the Muslim scholars for teaching him otherwise he would've remained ignorant for life. Instead of any of that most people STILL think Newton discovered gravity because an apple fell on his head.

 

[SeveroDrgnfli]

You know what rhymes with serious trash? conspiracy raps.

You're using unverifiable facts to seem smart and fill the void of the education that you lack.

 

[Saiyajin]

You know what rhymes with serious trash? conspiracy raps.

You're using unverifiable facts to seem smart and fill the void of the education that you lack.

did you not just read what the poster above you linked?

"A number of achievements that advanced Islamic and Western science came from al-Andalus including major advances in trigonometry (Geber), astronomy (Arzachel), surgery (Abulcasis), pharmacology (Avenzoar), and other fields. Al-Andalus became a major educational center for Europe and the lands around the Mediterranean Sea as well as a conduit for culture and science between the Islamic and Christian worlds."

 

[yeyeye]

You know what rhymes with serious trash? conspiracy raps.

You're using unverifiable facts to seem smart and fill the void of the education that you lack.

Al andalus is not an unverifiable fact bro, this is all common knowledge for Historians but not the layman

 

[Saiyajin]

Al andalus is not an unverifiable fact bro, this is all common knowledge for Historians but not the layman

The complete irony of his second sentence

its sad how his first instinct learning about the Moors was to assume it was all conspiracy theories. He's THAT conditioned.

 

[SeveroDrgnfli]

did you not just read what the poster above you linked?

I did. I read your post too. I read it a few times.

straight from wikipedia,OP

You're accusing the entire world of not discussing 700 years. For this to be true there would have to be a group of people making sure this happens. That's a conspiracy theory. You can't prove it. Whether I agree with you or not doesn't change the fact that it's a conspiracy theory.

You know what rhymes with serious trash? conspiracy raps.

You're using unverifiable facts to seem smart and fill the void of the education that you lack.

You're a smart dude. I ain't calling you dumb. But I think you're lacking a formal education or ignoring being taught to make claims like this with scientific evidence attached.

You're making a big claim here. I see a lot of talking but no solid evidence proving the entire world is choosing to ignore a 700 year period.

 

[Saiyajin]

I did. I read your post too. I read it a few times.



You're accusing the entire world of not discussing 700 years. For this to be true there would have to be a group of people making sure this happens. That's a conspiracy theory. You can't prove it. Whether I agree with you or not doesn't change the fact that it's a conspiracy theory.

You're a smart dude. I ain't calling you dumb. But I think you're lacking a formal education or ignoring being taught to make claims like this with scientific evidence attached.

You're making a big claim here. I see a lot of talking but no solid evidence proving the entire world is choosing to ignore a 700 year period.

Again its well documented that the Arabic names of the Moors were purposely Latinicized because Latin was the language of the Church and Arabic was loathed because it was considered the language of the conquerors

Here is a list of some names of scientists that were purposely changed to Latin and completely stripped of the roots of the person.

Latinized Names of Muslim Scholars | Muslim Heritage

They changed a name like Ibn-Hayytam which is clearly arabic into Alhazen

Al-Battani becomes Albatenius

Jabir ibn Aflah becomes Geber

And before you say it was done to make those names easier to pronounce, names like Socrates and Pythagoras were kept. They are to this day credited for their work because of this. While the names of the Moors were directly changed because their identity were so hurtful to the insecure Europeans

Again if you think this wasn't done purposely you are willfully ignorant especially when I gave you a quote that shows how much they hated the language of the Church (Latin) being seen as completely inferior

Here's some more proof a quote that refers to the Moors as Arabs (bcause they spoke arabic) to show the resentment

“My Christian brothers admire the poetry and chivalry stories of the Arabs, and they study the books written by the philosophies and scholars of the Muslims. They do not do that in order to refute them, but rather to learn the eloquent Arabic style. Where today – apart from the clergy – and those who read the religious commentaries on the Old and New Testaments? Where are those who read the Gospels and the words of the Prophets? Alas, the new generation of intelligent Christians do not know any literature and language well apart from Arabic literature and the Arabic language. They avidly read the books of the Arabs and amass huge libraries of these books at great expense; they look upon these Arabic treasures with great pride, at the time when they refrain from reading Christian books on the basis that they are not worth paying attention to. How unfortunate it is that the Christians have forgotten their language, and nowadays you cannot find among them one in a thousand who could write a letter to a friend in his own language. But with regard to the language of the Arabs

 

[SeveroDrgnfli]

The complete irony of his second sentence

its sad how his first instinct learning about the Moors was to assume it was all conspiracy theories. He's THAT conditioned.

Lmao. You think you're teaching me?! Good lord, you're hilarious. Don't let your boys get you embarrassed.

Continue to operate under the assumption nobody knows about the moors. lol, that's silly.

And it's not special to know about them. Who doesn't know about them? Anybody who's gone to college should be aware of the moors. That some freshman year shyt.

I appreciate you attempting to reimagine history to glorify the black man, but you gotta be realistic with it man.

Nobody cares. lol. It's not that people are hiding facts. It's not a cover up. People do not care about something that happen over a century ago.

rather than dwelling on something you didn't experience firsthand how about you focus on what you can do to build something now. You ol' Al Bundy ass nikka. Ten thousand years ago I would have been a king ass nikka. Well, you clock in and out just like everybody else bro. Get over yourself.

 

[Saiyajin]

Lmao. You think you're teaching me?! Good lord, you're hilarious. Don't let your boys get you embarrassed.

Continue to operate under the assumption nobody knows about the moors. lol, that's silly.

And it's not special to know about them. Who doesn't know about them? Anybody who's gone to college should be aware of the moors. That some freshman year shyt.

I appreciate you attempting to reimagine history to glorify the black man, but you gotta be realistic with it man.

Nobody cares. lol. It's not that people are hiding facts. It's not a cover up. People do not care about something that happen over a century ago.

rather than dwelling on something you didn't experience firsthand how about you focus on what you can do to build something now. You ol' Al Bundy ass nikka. Ten thousand years ago I would have been a king ass nikka. Well, you clock in and out just like everybody else bro. Get over yourself.

Read what I wrote above :bronpls:

If you don't wanna believe it ok, doesn't bother me,

I didn't post this to argue over well documented facts that I learned from books written by historians, I came to make people aware that were not aware of this subject

 

[SeveroDrgnfli]

Read what I wrote above :bronpls:

If you don't wanna believe it ok, doesn't bother me,

I didn't post this to argue over well documented facts that I learned from books written by historians, I came to make people aware that were not aware of this subject

Okay well let me help you out. Everything is African because everything is based on religion. Most religions are based on African astronomy. I realized after learning that, that Africans will continue to be slighted in history books.

I can scream about it or I can make Africans great again.

 

[Saiyajin]

Dark Ages is a term of historical periodization traditionally meaning the Middle Ages. It emphasizes the demographic, cultural and economic deterioration that supposedly occurred in Western Europe following the decline of the Roman Empire.[1][2] The label employs traditional light-versus-darkness imagery to contrast the "darkness" of the period with earlier and later periods of "light

Since the 20th century, it is frequently applied to the earlier part of the era, the Early Middle Ages (c. 5th–10th century).[6][7] However, many modern scholars who study the era tend to avoid the term altogether for its negative connotations, finding it misleading and inaccurate for any part of the Middle Ages

The concept of a Dark Age originated with the Italian scholar Petrarch (Francesco Petrarca) in the 1330s, and was originally intended as a sweeping criticism of the character of Late Latin literature.[3][11] Petrarch regarded the post-Roman centuries as "dark" compared to the light of classical antiquity. The actual term "Dark Age" derives from the Latin saeculum obscurum, originally applied by Caesar Baronius in 1602 to a tumultuous period in the 10th and 11th centuries.[12] Later, historians expanded the term to refer to the transitional period between Roman times and the High Middle Ages (c. 11th–13th century), including the lack of Latin literature, and a lack of contemporary written history, general demographic decline, limited building activity and lack of material cultural achievements in general. Popular culture has further expanded on it as a vehicle to depict the early Middle Ages as a time of backwardness, extending its pejorative use and expanding its scope

all conspiracy theories huh

i have no facts to support this huh

i'm the one who's reimagining history ???

 

[Saiyajin]

Alchemical pseudepigraphy makes it difficult to identify who the historical Artephius may have been. His identity remains an open question. As The Secret Book of Artephius was respected and mentioned by Roger Bacon many times, Artephius’ writing is dated to around 1150.[2] One author, Restoro d'Arezzo, conflated Orpheus with Artephius in his Composizione del Mondo in 1282, where it is noted that Artephius understands the voices of birds.[3] This mistake was due to a translation error, with the Arabic for Orpheus and Artephius being very similar. This transcription error gave us "Artephius", an alchemist without a historical personality.[4]

The discovery of a 13/14th-century copy of Clavis Sapientia confirms that the text was first written in Arabic by a Muslim author

All lost because they attributed the works of a Moorish scientist to the fabricated Latin name Artephius

Ibn Bajjah (Avempace), died 1138, Andalusian physicist and polymath whose theory of motion, including the concept of a reaction force, influenced the development of classical mechanics

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Avempace have you heard of him? Nah and Avempace wasnt even his name or close to it. Newton have you heard of him? Who hasn't along with his laws of Motion. Avempace died 1138, Newton wasnt born until 1642, but he gets all the credit. All just one big conspiracy theory huh. Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy has an entire section on this guy, I guess they're also reimagining history with conspiracy theories damn